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Afroman?
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Keep waving your e-penis. We're all impressed.
Matt, that's just pitiful.
Everyone is going to react differently to different situations. And, in my 42 years on this earth, I've come to understand my own response to different situations. It has nothing to do, nothing, with trying to prove my manhood to a bunch a anonymous musicians on a bass forum. Honestly, this just isn't a group I strive to impress.
Using violence as defense against violence is something that's largely being bred out of the younger generations. I think the reasoning behind it is largely because it requires teaching a great degree of judgement. It's easier to teach a passive mindset, because the answer to any situation is always the same: run away, call an authority figure. And, it's easier to those who employ it, because it requires little risk and always gives one the answer to the flight or fight reaction.
So in this situation, could you tell me what violence would have solved? What would you have accomplished by beating Afroass up besides satisfying your ego and pride?
Seriously? You think people prone to get into fights show better judgement?
The way I see it, all it takes is beer and testosterone.
Violence is pretty much never the solution to anything and it certainly wasn't in this case.
Pulling a Luc Havan on Afroman wouldn't have fixed anything.
Attacking someone who is not actively attacking another person is a criminal act. If you sucker punch him, you are no better than him sucker punching that woman. If more than one person does it, not only criminal but classless. 10 people jumping 1 is immoral, no matter the reasoning behind it.
Reciprocal acts are almost never justifiable, the danger has usually gone away at that point.
Reciprocal acts are almost never justifiable, the danger has usually gone away at that point.
No. Of course, you misunderstand.
It takes more judgement to know when to fight, when to stop and when it's not necessary. It's significantly easier to say "violence is never the answer". Unfortunately, as this video demonstrates, not everyone got the pacifist memo.
Criminal, perhaps, but this is something I was alluding to in an earlier post (the "big brother" one): in real life, people live in cultures with multiple systems of norms that guide their behavior. The demands of the law enacted by government is one of those systems, but it's not the only one, and its claim to override all others can be contested. That's what we're seeing going on in the debate on this thread over whether someone there should have punched Afroman.
For some people, the legal norm is the sole one to appeal to; the only appropriate response is to call the cops, unless there's actual ongoing violence where a person must act in self-defense of defense of a person under ongoing attack. For others, though, other norms pertain. From that perspective, there are times someone deserves a punch in the face, regardless of whether their wrongdoing violates a specific statute that you could call the cops for. The person administering the punch may well be aware that it's against the law for them to do so and they'll get in trouble for it, but the norm that dictates punching the guy may be powerful enough to make it worth the sacrifice.
No. Of course, you misunderstand.
It takes more judgement to know when to fight, when to stop and when it's not necessary. It's significantly easier to say "violence is never the answer". Unfortunately, as this video demonstrates, not everyone got the pacifist memo.
I specifically said there is a time for violence.
This wasn't it by any measure.
DiabolusInMusic
Functionless Art is Merely Tolerated Vandalism
I cannot believe Afroman got arrested for that. Where was the security?
Didn't look like Afroman sized up the woman, he got bumped and reacted violently. While his reaction was excessive it was not uncalled for. That could have been anybody coming up at him on stage, he didn't know that and we live in a post-Dimebag world. If he punched a man, would all the white knights be hollering? Probably not, they would've been like "fudge that chump, get off stage."
I know it is against the rules but I highly doubt a white artist would've been arrested after the show. Fat Mike was recently hailed as a hero (by many but certainly not all) when he committed a much more violent assault. Fat Mike even took a second blow after assessing the situation. Hell, Axel Rose once stage-dived into the crowd to whoop a bootleggers ass. He took the fight to the crowd and still did not get an assault charge.
Concert Fights: 10 Musicians Attacking Fans | Rolling Stone
Didn't look like Afroman sized up the woman, he got bumped and reacted violently. While his reaction was excessive it was not uncalled for. That could have been anybody coming up at him on stage, he didn't know that and we live in a post-Dimebag world. If he punched a man, would all the white knights be hollering? Probably not, they would've been like "fudge that chump, get off stage."
I know it is against the rules but I highly doubt a white artist would've been arrested after the show. Fat Mike was recently hailed as a hero (by many but certainly not all) when he committed a much more violent assault. Fat Mike even took a second blow after assessing the situation. Hell, Axel Rose once stage-dived into the crowd to whoop a bootleggers ass. He took the fight to the crowd and still did not get an assault charge.
Concert Fights: 10 Musicians Attacking Fans | Rolling Stone
What's interesting now is the victim said she is filing a civil suit for damages. Who winds up being held the most responsible is going to be fascinating. Did the promoter and club owner know that this guy was volatile and book him anyway? Lack of security, there's the victim's own culpability for what happened, so many variables.
The case against Fishbone a while back was fascinating, lots of variables like in this case. There a fan got a judgement of 1.4M, but injuries were WAY worse than in this case. Part of reason for big judgement was the band kept playing, which was considered a callous act. Fishbone used the argument that everyone knew there was danger of Angelo randomly jumping off the stage at any time. In other words, there was a certain assumed risk that you should be ready for when you bought a ticket. Like legal disclaimers about foul balls at major league ball parks. But the plaintiff successfully made the argument that fishbone was added to the bill at last minute, so ticketholders couldn't have properly informed themselves of the risk. Was a very interesting case.
The case against Fishbone a while back was fascinating, lots of variables like in this case. There a fan got a judgement of 1.4M, but injuries were WAY worse than in this case. Part of reason for big judgement was the band kept playing, which was considered a callous act. Fishbone used the argument that everyone knew there was danger of Angelo randomly jumping off the stage at any time. In other words, there was a certain assumed risk that you should be ready for when you bought a ticket. Like legal disclaimers about foul balls at major league ball parks. But the plaintiff successfully made the argument that fishbone was added to the bill at last minute, so ticketholders couldn't have properly informed themselves of the risk. Was a very interesting case.
She rubbed her butt against his - well-documented sexual assault she made there. He was merely acting in self-defense. He actually takes his guitar playing a bit seriously, usually playing a double neck 6/12.
slobake
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I cannot believe anyone could understand Afroman in any way on this!
The guy had a radio hit. It is certainly reasonable to assume he has a substantial amount of stage time. I probably don't have anywhere near as much stage time as he does but I'm fully aware of what's going on around me. Caught by surprise? Meh.
He was afraid (Dimebag et al) and reacted instinctively. BULL! BULL! BULL! People of all walks of life are victims of needless random violence around the world on a daily basis. This happens at schools, in malls, at parks, in houses of worship, at the grocery, etc. Are we to assume if someone had "bumped" into him at a convenience store in Duluth he would have reacted the same?
It does not appear to me to have been a "reaction". It looked completely deliberate to me. I think he saw her before she danced up to him but he throws the punch anyway. Now he knows he has decked a drunk chick and what does he do - he goes back to playing as if nothing has happened. When the guy from the audience gets on stage his response is "You got a problem?". Why didn't he start throwing punches or running for cover when he was approached by this guy? He knows exactly what he has done and does not care in the least!
Let me go out on a limb here. Do you think he would have reacted the same way if that was Mike Tyson that "danced" up behind him? No. You know why? Because Mike Tyson would have beat the snot out of him. Funny how the threat of "consequences" affects your reasoning. How many times would Ike have slapped Tina if he KNEW that every time he did, he could count on an ER visit himself? I know, I know hypothetical.........
I do not advocate violence. Let me say that again - I do not advocate violence. I haven't been in an actual fight in decades, however there are times you need to speak in a language the other person understands. Do you think (given his actions) Afroman understands "please don't do that" or "timeout" or "being fined"?
Call me a caveman or undeveloped, internet tough guy - whatever. Someone does this to a woman in my presence and they will think of me before they try it again.
YMMV
The guy had a radio hit. It is certainly reasonable to assume he has a substantial amount of stage time. I probably don't have anywhere near as much stage time as he does but I'm fully aware of what's going on around me. Caught by surprise? Meh.
He was afraid (Dimebag et al) and reacted instinctively. BULL! BULL! BULL! People of all walks of life are victims of needless random violence around the world on a daily basis. This happens at schools, in malls, at parks, in houses of worship, at the grocery, etc. Are we to assume if someone had "bumped" into him at a convenience store in Duluth he would have reacted the same?
It does not appear to me to have been a "reaction". It looked completely deliberate to me. I think he saw her before she danced up to him but he throws the punch anyway. Now he knows he has decked a drunk chick and what does he do - he goes back to playing as if nothing has happened. When the guy from the audience gets on stage his response is "You got a problem?". Why didn't he start throwing punches or running for cover when he was approached by this guy? He knows exactly what he has done and does not care in the least!
Let me go out on a limb here. Do you think he would have reacted the same way if that was Mike Tyson that "danced" up behind him? No. You know why? Because Mike Tyson would have beat the snot out of him. Funny how the threat of "consequences" affects your reasoning. How many times would Ike have slapped Tina if he KNEW that every time he did, he could count on an ER visit himself? I know, I know hypothetical.........
I do not advocate violence. Let me say that again - I do not advocate violence. I haven't been in an actual fight in decades, however there are times you need to speak in a language the other person understands. Do you think (given his actions) Afroman understands "please don't do that" or "timeout" or "being fined"?
Call me a caveman or undeveloped, internet tough guy - whatever. Someone does this to a woman in my presence and they will think of me before they try it again.
YMMV
Any attempt to rationalize or excuse this beast's behavior is absolutely ludicrous.
I can't say what I would've done and I'm not an internet or even a real life tough guy but that animal should be locked up and all its possessions given to its victim.
Sad. Sad that an animal like that exists, and sad that there are those who defend its deplorable actions in this case.
I can't say what I would've done and I'm not an internet or even a real life tough guy but that animal should be locked up and all its possessions given to its victim.
Sad. Sad that an animal like that exists, and sad that there are those who defend its deplorable actions in this case.
But just like in the NFL, he who retaliates gets punished heaviest. I get what you are saying, but there is no way an arrest/conviction for a violent act is ever following me around for the rest of my life. If he was standing over her, delivering repeated blows, by all means, cave the guy's skull in, the law has your back there. This was one sucker punch and done incident, there was no more threat to her. An assault arrest let alone conviction can ruin your life (good luck finding work), so you better make sure it is worth it.
Bingo. Anyone who reacts violently to someone being on stage because they believe it's going to be a replay of the Dimebag tragedy is making a serious cognitive error. While I don't want to downplay the sadness of Dimebag's death, the incident is a statistical fluke. Unless you're 50 Cent, a musician probably has a greater chance of being electrocuted on stage from dangerous wiring than being shot. Since Dimebag's death, I've had countless audience members on stage, invited and not invited. Not once did I think, "Oh man, I hope someone doesn't shoot me." I'm more worried about them falling into the drum kit or getting the lead singer in trouble with a significant other due to flirtatious behavior.
