Yeah, very much so. I have all their Cd's and a couple of DVD's.
Funny thing, I never got into Steven Wilson as a solo artist. I bought his first few albums, but just didn't connect with any of them.
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Albums Are Dead - Ola Englund's Thoughts
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Yeah, very much so. I have all their Cd's and a couple of DVD's.
Funny thing, I never got into Steven Wilson as a solo artist. I bought his first few albums, but just didn't connect with any of them.
One issue I see with the idea of releasing nothing but "singles" is that on the better albums, there are often more deep cuts that aren't just filler - they might end up being some of your favorites - but they might be a little more left of center and can take a little longer to wrap your head around and aren't designed to just grab you by the throat on first listen with a hooky chorus that you get to by the 1-minute mark. The idea of a singles-oriented world where all people release is individual songs where every one of them is an attempt at a "hit," with all that entails, sounds boring as f*** to me.
Funny, I just thought of it. I listened to the Rush catalog on Spotify! I own the entire Rush catalog in various forms, but Spotify is just so damn convenient at home, in the car, etc. I completely get why the younger generation doesn't buy music like I did. For the cost of one album, CD, cassette per month they have access to tens of millions of songs instead. I'm a convert. I've discovered some amazing music via Spotify. I do miss album art and liner notes though.
I like Porcupine Tree better, but Steven Wilson's solo catalog has some amazing music. Listen to Raider II from Grace for Drowning completely. Amazing.
I suppose for people who grew up listening to music through streaming, I can see the attraction to those services. As someone who grew up listening to vinyl and radio, and lived through the development of the digital world, I still find streaming to be somewhat unreliable. I need the hard copy. I'll buy CD's and/or vinyl until I die. I still rip them to my iTunes, but I have the hard copy as a backup.
I have Grace for Drowning, Granted, it's one of his better albums, but for some reason, I just never connected with his solo music.
Haha, I'm 54. Grew up on 45's, AM/FM radio and albums. I don't know why, but other than the album art and liner notes, I have no need for the physical format.
yeah.. but this is a representation of albums sold..not manufactured..anybody can punch out some vinyl..but if your music is not being played on a pretty broad spectrum..whats the point..ego stroking..?..the last few generation are all about cell phones morning noon and night......."son..what did you do when you were growing up..?".."well..I went around all the time with my cell phone in my hand..thats what everybody else was doin'.."
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I think there is too many cover band playing the same tired set list for the last 30 to 40 years ... no wonder no one give a poopie anymore
Also I think there is more competition on the market but less musicians overall. Because it is easier than ever to make, produce and all that music without having to play cover bands and original bands in poopy bars until you are discovered by a greedy label. So huge band that everyone knows about won't exist anymore and with the internet you can find music that you want to hear instead of having to be fed what the label want you to hear on the radio.
I see a lot of very talented musicians on youtube making beats or music for jingles or music for video games.
Also I think there is more competition on the market but less musicians overall. Because it is easier than ever to make, produce and all that music without having to play cover bands and original bands in poopy bars until you are discovered by a greedy label. So huge band that everyone knows about won't exist anymore and with the internet you can find music that you want to hear instead of having to be fed what the label want you to hear on the radio.
I see a lot of very talented musicians on youtube making beats or music for jingles or music for video games.
It's funny because web radios, youtube and most other streaming services only serve their music at low bitrates. Talk about objectively inferior! But apparently no one cares.
I would like to see how many of those "wise old men" commenting how music has gone to hell due to "kids these days" grew up listening to 20s music rather than 50s onwards. Because you used to be those problem children that would rather listen to "satan's rock'n'blues" rather than heavenly classical music or bebop. You're the generation who was shunned by the generation before you for liking something different. Yet you have the audacity to blame children for not "knowing what is really worth in music", when it was your generations who decided that 3 chord songs with untrained singers were just fine, rather than rich classical arrangements or soulful jazz music. Don't get me wrong, I like both, but the standards have truly dipped at the time. Even early rock was way less musical than any jazz or classical music that came before it.
So yeah, you're to blame (according to yourself, not according to me, I don't care either way), you just don't realize that because your standards were lowered from the get-go, and since you play instruments and are all important about it, you won't accept that great music can be made without even touching one. Yes, it can, yes, it will be, and there are certainly electronic artists who use nothing but sequencers, who have thus far made music better than you ever will. It's the harsh truth. Because they weren't stuck in "back in my days...", but rather using all the tools at their disposal to achieve what they intended to.
This post is a huge thumbs down rant for all the preachy self proclaimed wise old men who "know better" while all they really mean is "oh all those young people aren't listening to music I like and make, how dare they?!?! Must be cause they are dumb kids who don't know better, rather than being human beings with different, respectable preferences".
So yeah, you're to blame (according to yourself, not according to me, I don't care either way), you just don't realize that because your standards were lowered from the get-go, and since you play instruments and are all important about it, you won't accept that great music can be made without even touching one. Yes, it can, yes, it will be, and there are certainly electronic artists who use nothing but sequencers, who have thus far made music better than you ever will. It's the harsh truth. Because they weren't stuck in "back in my days...", but rather using all the tools at their disposal to achieve what they intended to.
This post is a huge thumbs down rant for all the preachy self proclaimed wise old men who "know better" while all they really mean is "oh all those young people aren't listening to music I like and make, how dare they?!?! Must be cause they are dumb kids who don't know better, rather than being human beings with different, respectable preferences".
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I suggest Porcupine Tree as well......
Back to the OP original post.... I agree with what Englund said regarding albums and marketing. I feel that any band except the top 1-5% are better off releasing an albums worth of material slowly. IMO, the days when you rushed out to buy an whole album of a NEW BAND after hearing 1 song in any format are gone. I used to do it in the late 60's and 70's as I am sure a lot of others of my generation did.
As to CD's/Vinyl vs. downloads I will still buy CD's. I will put them on my phone, laptop, iPOD, etc., but in the full 16 bit file size. To me, the difference in audio quality of 16 bit vs. an mP3 is huge. Also, if a device crashes I can re-load from the CD.
As to finding new music, I put on something like Pandora, set it for a genre, and listen. I might make notes or remember a band I want to investigate further. That maybe leads me to YouTube, etc. Then I may buy a CD if the "album" is, to me, worth it.
YMMV, etc
Thanks
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Cuture is defined and built upon institutions and things which have persistence. A perpetually transient state is the antithesis of culture. Because "culture of transience" (an oxymoron if there ever was one
) is the same thing as the absence of culture. Or to use the old slang expression: rootless.Most people realize the unattached "all my options open" urban ninja "army of one" schtick is a lot less romantic once you turn 30 than it seemed when you were 25.
To borrow from an old Faces song:
Once I was a young man…
And all I had to do was smile.
And all I had to do was smile.
culture (kŭlˈchər)
- n.
The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought. - n.
These patterns, traits, and products considered as the expression of a particular period, class, community, or population: Edwardian culture; Japanese culture; the culture of poverty. - n.
These patterns, traits, and products considered with respect to a particular category, such as a field, subject, or mode of expression: religious culture in the Middle Ages; musical culture; oral culture.
That sounds right but it isn't at all. The kind of media a culture indulges in accounts for a very small percentage of the human experience, most of which is still in the sequential oral tradition! If you go to a high school the social issues between people are the same as they ever where. We forget how informed and literate people used to be in the 19th century when Newspapers and pamphlets and corner/pub gossip kept people connected and informed of everything they needed in that peripheral world that isn't daily work. The systems of the 50's and 60's worked fine, people had silence as well as connections when they wanted them. People today are bombarded with digital message units and they hopefully learn to cope by ignoring it and paying attention to the real (imaginary) world, which is sequential like life is.
There seems to be a hawk making sequential dive-bombing whistling noises outside my window right now, it's very strange...
And that's why they voted for Boaty McBoatfaceJust accept that what the younger generation consider important or special or life changing is irrelevant for they are bereft of experience.
Lacking experience, they are bereft of discernment.
Lacking discernment, they are bereft of wisdom.
Lacking wisdom, they are unable to discern which experiences are truly important or special or life changing.
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