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Alleva-Coppolo vs. Sadowsky NYC

#61
maconbass said:
Exactly! Just recently I discovered this by accident. I never thought that boosting the highs in conjuction with rolling back the VTC would do that. I ignored the VTC for a long time because it just sounded muddy. Now, for some fingerstyle, I boost the highs quite a bit, engage the VTC quite a bit and favor the bridge and it gives that killer midrange "thumpity bop" Jaco-ish tone.
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+1.. on a side note, this is what makes the treble voicing capability of the Markbass amps very cool... they have the same thing 'on board'... a VTC type treble roll-off along with a high shelving point active treble control. There's lot's of different 'top end' flavors using the passive cut and active boost!
 
#62
KJung said:
In our direct A/Bing of the Alleva LG5 and LM5 with a Sadowsky Metro RV5 with HC's and an NYC alder/maple with single coils, and my own A/Bing with my NYC RV5 with HC's, no amount of twisting knobs results in these basses sounding the same, or even that similar IMO.
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+1...Sadowsky's seem to have a unique sounding upper mid grind that has clarity while still having bite. Your LM5 has a more traditional Fender Jazz upper mid grind.

KJung said:
The Celinder is a different thing. It's so wide and deep and sizzly that you really need to put some wattage behind it to muscle that amazing 'Marcus Miller' type tone through a mix. When it happens, it's a beautiful thing, but I have had to work on it a bit in some situations, and have been buried a touch when my rig was undersized for the venue. IME!
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+1 again, as I am getting to know my Celinder. In the past when playing quiet my first instinct would be to turn down the master on the amp. But with the Celinder when you turn down you really lose it's character. What I do now is keep the volume up on the amp and just control how loud I am with my fingers - even when I play lightly on that bass that huge jazz tone pops right out as long as I'm pushing some major watts on the amp!
 
#63
keep it comming with the clips! Nice job fellas..

I should have been more specific with what i wanted to compare... I should have said Sadowsky NYC with single Coils 5 string Ash/Maple vs. Alleva Coppolo LM5 Ash/Maple. What tonal differences do these two have?

When i listened to Mikebass' example of his alleva it definetly seemed warm.. maybe too warm? But then again he has an LG5 which is alder/rosewood.

Im not looking for the cheesy marcus miller tone. Although i do respect guys that go that route.
 
#65
You can get a LM-5 with a Rosewood f/b. :smug:
Dan

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#67
Bjazzman said:
i don't understand how that's an lm5 when there are 2 extra knobs?
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It has an Alleva preamp with a Passive Tone Control.

Volume, Volume, PTC, Treble, Bass.

The only thing that makes it a LM model is that it has an Ash body
with 70's pickup spacing. A rosewood board would be a option on a LM.
Another thing, it has a northern ash body but it weighs
in at 9.1lbs. :)

Dan
 
#71
All or any of the Alleva coppolo basses can come with a passive tone control or not. Except the P basses which are passive.
I have both the sadowsky NYC 5 and the Alleva coppolo LM5.
Well you pretty much read all the differences and I can't really ad to it. Just pretty much say the same things. I do like the Sadowsky with the single coils better. Like all of you said its brighter and somewhat more aggressive. But Jimmy will not go in that direction. Everything will be more closer to vintage. The AC to me sounds more passive where the pre amp will just boost those frequencies... ???????. Rogers basses are not as warm. More sharper in sound. But Im not saying one is better. Right now my AC is my main bass. I like the back in the day sound.
 
#72
It's not much better of a recording (well actually it is, it's about one of the best "board recordings I've heard- just the encoding it to MP3 made it all crazy, gotta work that out) on my MySpace page- Amazing Grace Pt. 1 & 2.

But here is my LG5 into my GT Ditto Bx tube DI with compression by Demeter straight to the board.
 
#73
MikeBass said:
It's not much better of a recording (well actually it is, it's about one of the best "board recordings I've heard- just the encoding it to MP3 made it all crazy, gotta work that out) on my MySpace page- Amazing Grace Pt. 1 & 2.

But here is my LG5 into my GT Ditto Bx tube DI with compression by Demeter straight to the board.
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Your AC sounds wonderful, musical, and HUGE Mike! I love it man. (Good thing since I have on on order huh? ...many thanks to you in advance) Gary
 
#76
For me, it'd be a move from the Metro to the A-C hahah, but for other people going from Sado NYC to A-C would definitely be a lateral move as opposed to climbing up a ladder.

I was just curious but... what would you guys say about the A-C pre and/or p-ups in a Sado? Would A-C sell just their pickups/pre aside from purchasing a whole bass from them? Since there's mention of how transparent the A-C pre is so I'm assuming the pre has a lot to do with the A-C sound just as the Sado pre has a lot to do with their sound as well.
 
#77
xkimsungminx said:
Since there's mention of how transparent the A-C pre is so I'm assuming the pre has a lot to do with the A-C sound just as the Sado pre has a lot to do with their sound as well.
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I think you've got it backwards. IMO, It's the AC pups, because the awesome preamp isn't even necessary. :) The fact that it is transparent means that it doesn't greatly color the passive voice of the instrument. On the other hand, IMO, the sadowsky preamp IS the sound of those jazz bases. My sadowsky jazz running passive is pretty uninspiring, although my sad. P running passive is nice.
 
#78
Isn't it usually the Preamp that does the coloring or the... uncoloring?

Just bringing it up because if you CAN get the Alleva pre and pickups then someone might be able to get the Alleva sound without having to get an Alleva, if getting an Alleva isn't an option financially. [By putting these into a Metro and not an NYC]
 
#79
Jimmy sells his preamp stompbox for around 300 bucks and I've heard people love it.
I do not believe he will sell the pups or mounted preamp separately.

Running your bass passive bypasses the preamp, so your sound is all the pups, wood, strings, and passive tone roll off.
But then again, I'm no electrician...
 

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