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Am I the jerk here? Reverb return
- Thread starter jpbicknell
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There is a bit of gray area here in terms of a question asked for final agreement to be made.. after offer acceptance and before money is given. I’ve actually done this before in the past with a “oh damn sorry I forgot to ask?” right before I lay my cash down for the already agreed offer, which is kind of common when buying used items from a private seller since everything about the item isn’t always accurately or fully describe.
To me, it’s 11lbs and that’s too heavy and not what I was told (9lbs) before I paid up. Send it back at sellers expense.
To me, it’s 11lbs and that’s too heavy and not what I was told (9lbs) before I paid up. Send it back at sellers expense.
Can we see the bass?
May we ask the price you paid?
If it’s a nice bass I think I’d keep it. Older stuff for a good price is becoming scarce. If it’s a good player as you decribed I think I’d get a fat padded strap and a bottle of Advil so I could jam on it.
Specifically about the weight issue, the question should have been asked prior to jumping on it.
May we ask the price you paid?
If it’s a nice bass I think I’d keep it. Older stuff for a good price is becoming scarce. If it’s a good player as you decribed I think I’d get a fat padded strap and a bottle of Advil so I could jam on it.
Specifically about the weight issue, the question should have been asked prior to jumping on it.
How do we truly know the weight of bass... Who's to say one of them, the buyer or the seller didn't zerotare their bathroom scale properly???? What if the buyer is lying and his wife told him to send back the bass because he didn't ask for permission, or having buyers remorse.
The buyer should put his big boy pants on and either send the bass back and pay for the shipping cost, or re-sell it.
You all joke but if that bass was two pounds lighter maybe her husband would still be alive.
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I'm very skeptical about said charity cause. People claim all kinds of things that are not true.
Since you say you're sure the seller didn't have a scale, do you not think it matters that the seller omitted that key information with their answer, “about 9lbs, very comfortable!”?
That's whole lot of projection.
Feel free to ask me if I think you're being a jerk here.
The correct answers were 'IDK the weight and don't care to check', 'IDK the weight and don't have equipment/knowledge to check', and '11 pounds'. Not 'guess a random number that will make the sale more likely'.
I've figured out the solution: I'm going to buy the bass from the OP and then return it because I can't successfully anchor my boat with it, as their listing claims.
What does that solve? Nothing. But it does add another post to this thread and I feel like that is what we're all here for.
What does that solve? Nothing. But it does add another post to this thread and I feel like that is what we're all here for.
I do think they are somewhat different.
Retail stores typically have clear return policy on items, which is quite different from Market-Place sellers.
So no, you're not breaking a contract if their policy allows returns or they're willing to take it back.
(and you typically wouldn't negotiate a price when buying a shirt.)
(This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Jerry tries returning a Jacket for "spite")
Do you realize what an a@@hole you sound like?
I agree with that generally, but it wouldn’t be the first time someone neglected to ask a critical question before making an offer. However, OP did in fact ask before payment was rendered. And everyone knows you don’t have a deal until money has changed hands and the item has been delivered. Payment was made based upon information provided.
If this is an exact quote, it’s very telling. Obviously the seller understood the importance of weight and its relationship to playing comfort. The seller bears equal responsibility for how this transaction fell apart.
Nonsense. 11 lbs is more than just a rounding error vs 9 lbs. It’s an important factor in the buying decision. The seller should have been a bit more accurate in their reply.
Once an offer is accepted, it's supposed to be a done deal. To ask for a detail afterwards - that would be helpful to the OP but too late to change their mind / back out of the deal. The buyer should ask these type of questions before buying, and the OP stated this in the first post. To me there is zero questions about this. The seller didn't advertise this weight before being sold. They were trying to be helpful without being as accurate as they could/should have been. The deal had already been made.
For anyone else buying online, ask your "make or break" questions in advance. And use caution when a seller states it is "around X lbs." It should be "9.0 lbs" or "around 9 lbs on my bathroom scale."
For anyone else buying online, ask your "make or break" questions in advance. And use caution when a seller states it is "around X lbs." It should be "9.0 lbs" or "around 9 lbs on my bathroom scale."
Makes total sense to me with exception of the batch scale thing...... But who's to say the buyer isn't lying about the 11 lbs? He hasn't provided any proof what the bass weighs, only that it's heavier than his other bass guitars.
I dunno man.... Seems like OP is trying to make himself feel better about his buyers remorse.
Per Reverb TOS you have to accept to pay for the item, if your offer is accepted, when you submit your offer.
They call this out, loudly, when you submit an offer.
So, yes, it’s not done as a seller until you are paid. But as a buyer, you promise that you will pay if your submitted offer is accepted, when you submit it.
Reverb tos does not have wiggle room for “I didn’t check on this detail before submitting my offer.”
If this was AITA on reddit, I would go with an ESH (everyone sucks here).
OP, once you made the offer and it was accepted, you committed to buy. There nothing else it was contingent on. If you had questions, you absolutely should have asked before you made the offer.
The seller definitely should have given an accurate weight. 9 pounds feels very different than 11 pounds. I personally would say a 2 pound difference is not “about”. It’s also possible that he didn’t have a scale to give an accurate weight, so it really might have just been a guess. Though at that point he should have said that.
I think you should be entitled to a return, but be required to pay for return shipping.
OP, once you made the offer and it was accepted, you committed to buy. There nothing else it was contingent on. If you had questions, you absolutely should have asked before you made the offer.
The seller definitely should have given an accurate weight. 9 pounds feels very different than 11 pounds. I personally would say a 2 pound difference is not “about”. It’s also possible that he didn’t have a scale to give an accurate weight, so it really might have just been a guess. Though at that point he should have said that.
I think you should be entitled to a return, but be required to pay for return shipping.
It’s extremely uncommon for bassists outside of TB membership to weigh a bass guitar. In fact, it’s beyond just weird, it’s bizarre. That said, if weight was your criteria fight it and get your money back. Nobody’s being a jerk as far as I can see. You know good and well Jaco and Jamerson had no idea how much their basses weighed. So you can’t assume the widow of a bassist would know. If I told my wife how much my bass weighed, if I slipped it into conversation she’d ask me to leave. Likewise, if you asked my wife to weigh my bass after I departed, she’d stand on a scale and guess which is most likely what happened here. So get your money back. Dead bassist’s ghost says “play it or weigh it”.
I don’t know about that anymore. Sweetwater lists weights on a lot of basses now. I think our luxury preferences have gone mainstream!
