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AMAZING Jeff Berlin Lesson excerpt
- Thread starter Mike Dimin
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Y'know what? It's not common knowledge to ME.
My teacher's been working a cruise ship gig since October. I won't see him until the snow melts here, which might be May the way our weather's been. I've been needing some lessons to get out of a rut and this video is PACKED with stuff I can use IMMEDIATELY.
So there.
To the OP: Thanks!
Roy Vogt
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Thanks, Mike. This is from Jeff's DVD "Lessons from the Players School of Music" (Mel Bay). Chad Hargis made me aware of this one. Great material throughout.
Regarding the 3rds-7ths voice leading: it's a great way to navigate ii-V progressions especially since the tradition in Jazz is for no one to comp for the Bass Solo. I learned this concept from Vince Maggio, a great Jazz pianist who taught at the University of Miami. He played with Nat and Cannonball Adderly and Jaco as well as Ira Sullivan. He showed me that and it's changed how I solo ever since.
I'll have to try the other chord extensions-Fun Stuff!
Regarding the 3rds-7ths voice leading: it's a great way to navigate ii-V progressions especially since the tradition in Jazz is for no one to comp for the Bass Solo. I learned this concept from Vince Maggio, a great Jazz pianist who taught at the University of Miami. He played with Nat and Cannonball Adderly and Jaco as well as Ira Sullivan. He showed me that and it's changed how I solo ever since.
I'll have to try the other chord extensions-Fun Stuff!
Y'know what? It's not common knowledge to ME.
My teacher's been working a cruise ship gig since October. I won't see him until the snow melts here, which might be May the way our weather's been. I've been needing some lessons to get out of a rut and this video is PACKED with stuff I can use IMMEDIATELY.
So there.
To the OP: Thanks!
The reality of the internet having very few really beneficial free video music lessons doesn't automatically make every substantial lesson there is "AMAZING". Just giving some perspective here.
I'm not saying it can't be useful: if it's new for you go ahead and study it! I still study triads and they're not groundbreaking material either.
i think you are misunderstanding the word "lesson" - a lesson isn't SUPPOSED to be groundbreaking - it's supposed to be useful to students and practitioners at a certain level.
Pushing for more and more "groundbreaking" lessons before a student is ready is a great way to bewilder them and maybe scare them off from music altogether. So thanks!
... and of course I use much of this in my solo/chordal work. However, I tend to play more lyrically/linear in my single note soloing. Definitely something to play around with
I'm not misunderstanding anything here. I have more than 15 happy and progressing students myself, which isn't strange after having studied both bass and music education.
I'm not saying Jeff's lesson is bad. Just saying that presenting this as an "AMAZING" lesson is a bit over the top. There are many people teaching this stuff every day. You might not know it from looking at videos on the net or reading stuff on the bass forum, but in the real life music education scene there's a lot of good stuff being tought on a daily basis.
An amazing lesson would (in my opinion) be one where a teacher can use his experience to help a student overcome a big obstacle he's been facing and cannot tackle by himself at that point. Or present a completely new view on a subject. Something that you cannot find in a theory book.
An example:
The lesson is only amazing to those that have never heard the concepts Jeff is talking about, which i would say is over 50% of the worlds bass players...and i'm hedging my guess.
Because i don't think the 5 x table in maths is amazing now there was a point where i thought it was, as with all the tables.
All lessons at some point are amazing, and with the wide range of age, players, and knowledge on TB this could hit home with many.
I think its a great lesson to highlight the points he is making with nice simple sweet playing, and explanation, no charging of around the fretboard here. So it is a foundation lesson to bank.
I think you are getting bogged down in the way English language is used, i might just go down to Tescos and argue that this CD is not the "50 greatest........" because some of the songs on it i would not regard as the greatest, but i don't.
Just saying......
Fair enough - you can't find (or expect) that in a quickie video tutorial either. I didn't watch the whole series, but that clip was concise, articulate, digestible and very useful for (I'd imagine) at least 50% of tb readers. These forums are for musical education, not just gear talk, right?
I'm not even really a Jeff Berlin fan (note my making fun of him earlier in this thread) but that clip is darn good for what it is. You can't compare a youtube video to ongoing one-on-one lessons from a real instructor.
+1 And anything, be it an opinion or form of education that opens another door for -anyone-, deserves recognition imo
I can agree with the last few posts, I guess I just find it bothersome that the average bass player is so far behind on these subjects compared to other instruments (well, maybe not drummers and youtube guitar players).
Also calling everything the greatest, best, ultimate or whatever does devaluate the really great stuff. But I think I've made my point, so I won't go on about it.
Also calling everything the greatest, best, ultimate or whatever does devaluate the really great stuff. But I think I've made my point, so I won't go on about it.
Sorry that you disagree with my assessment of Jeff's lesson. Having taught world wide in some of the most prestigious venues and authored numerous books and lesson columns for major bass magazines, I think that my opinion is a "qualified" opinion. This is extremely valuable information for bassists and posted on a bass only forum. It is information that, I believe, a majority who visit this forum do NOT know. Perhaps pianists, sax players and others who solo regularly do, but the majority of bassists do not. Even Roy Vogt, one of the most respected teachers and one of the best players that I have ever heard sees the value in this. Roy's opinion is also most "qualified!"
I checked out the Hal Galper video you posted. The info is very valuable but pertains to people, as he said, who are already working on a particular "lick" or "licks".
Mike Dimin
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Faith, Family, Fitness, and Frets
Just out of curiousity, what do you think bout the video lessons Janek Gwizdala posted on his site?
I did not see any video lessons. Just a short sample of a few different lessons edited together. If you have a link, please pass it along
By the way, this:
Is not what Hal's lesson is about. It's about aural imagination, which affects all the stuff one plays (could even be the bassline to My Girl). It's about mental processes when playing, state of mind.
Again, props for posting Jeff's video and providing info to the forum.
But I'd love to see the bassguitar community catch up with the rest of the musical world, and then get to the really interesting stuff. It's not completely a mystery why the instrument still isn't viewed as an "serious instrument" by a lot of other players. Anthony Jackson has some interesting things to say about this too. Hopefully Jeff's video's will help us get there.
Is not what Hal's lesson is about. It's about aural imagination, which affects all the stuff one plays (could even be the bassline to My Girl). It's about mental processes when playing, state of mind.
Again, props for posting Jeff's video and providing info to the forum.
But I'd love to see the bassguitar community catch up with the rest of the musical world, and then get to the really interesting stuff. It's not completely a mystery why the instrument still isn't viewed as an "serious instrument" by a lot of other players. Anthony Jackson has some interesting things to say about this too. Hopefully Jeff's video's will help us get there.
jdthebassman
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I like jeffs lesson who cares how great it is as long as you get something out of it. i prefer to listen and play along useing my ears,emotion to determin how I play a solo.
