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Amp Modelers
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iriegnome said:
I have the Behriger v-amp pro it works well enough as a headphone-direct practice/novelty item, the switching delays and general unreliability I've noticed in my unit make it unsuitable for live/stage use....This is my opinion of course, others may vary.
my first and last behringer purchase BTW....
SM
If you've got a decent laptop give this a try:
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"All of the Ampeg SVX amps and stomps are modeled component by component after the original by IK, and ear-tuned by Ampegs legendary engineers."
And don't forget about Roland amps and/or V-bass.
Listen to all these yourself, but use full-range sound reinforcement type speakers and not your typical bass cabinet. You'll want to start with flat to let the modeling change the frequency response to match what it is modeling.
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"All of the Ampeg SVX amps and stomps are modeled component by component after the original by IK, and ear-tuned by Ampegs legendary engineers."
And don't forget about Roland amps and/or V-bass.
Listen to all these yourself, but use full-range sound reinforcement type speakers and not your typical bass cabinet. You'll want to start with flat to let the modeling change the frequency response to match what it is modeling.
I used a Bass V-Amp Pro for over 2 years. The only problem I ever had was the internal memory battery dieing. Took less then five minutes to change it and the unit was good as new. Sounded great live and recorded very well also. The Tube Pre amp model is my favorite.
As for the Bass Pod, there is a bassist here who plays direct (ampless) and I always thought he had a good sound when he was using a Sansamp direct to the PA, then he switched to a Bass Pod and his sound seemed to lose a lot of character.
As for the Bass Pod, there is a bassist here who plays direct (ampless) and I always thought he had a good sound when he was using a Sansamp direct to the PA, then he switched to a Bass Pod and his sound seemed to lose a lot of character.
I'm not a big fan of modeling boxes...they usually over-emphasize whatever they're trying to do, screw with dynamics, add noise...IMO anyway.
I have found in the last eight years that there are two over-rated brands and one under-rated one:Justice said:
Over-rated
Mackie: I have seen three (yes THREE) boards fail, one less than a week old. They were in completely separate venues and bands. I have seen no other mixing board from any other manufacturer ever fail in those eight years.
Line 6: The guitar player for my old band had their large combo. It failed after a few months. It failed. They couldn't fix it and he got a new one. It failed. He then got a Fender tube combo. He loves it. The guitar player in my church has a line 6 guitar and the new foot switch. The guitar has failed twice (the pickup is dead), and also needed a new neck. It is currently in the shop and he is using his Tele. The footswitch is still working, so far.
Under-rated
Behringer: I am shocked by all the behringer stuff I see. I have a compressor and a cheap standalone tube pre. Neither has failed me. My old band had two four channel compressors. Both still going strong after years of gigging. I see behringer equipment at the "music in the park" events in Seattle and Bellevue and I've talked to the sound guys about it. They all love it.
All that said about Behringer, I tried out their bass cabs at American music last summer. They all sucked if you tried to get any volume out of them. They farted at the drop of an E string. I thought something was wrong with the amp setup it was so lame. I even tried different amps. But nope, they just suck.
I think Behringer is just one of those brands people love to hate. It is also possible their early stuff really WAS crap. Then there is that Mackie lawsuit they lost...
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I have the Line 6 Bass Pod Pro (not the XT) and I've used it for studio recording and it has worked VERY well for me. For reference, I have an Eden Navigator preamp that I used for every song but one on my band's new CD and the one song on which I used the Line 6 (using the Eden model) came out quite good.
I have other studio recordings (older recordings) on which I used the modeler and it worked out quite well. The only problem I have with it is the effects, which, for the most part, don't do much for me.
I have other studio recordings (older recordings) on which I used the modeler and it worked out quite well. The only problem I have with it is the effects, which, for the most part, don't do much for me.
So it seems a general thing that the Behringers tend to be unreliable. I have a line 6 pod and I am not particular about it, but this is going to be just a practice amp or as a backup amp.
Robroy said:
Please please PLEASE quit advancing this falsehood...Behringer did not lose a lawsuit to Mackie..Mackies case was thrown out of court.
Robroy said:
This actually screams "troll" to me...
I'll keep it simple: You need to get more informed about Behringer. It's not so simple as "they lost a Mackie lawsuit." Your experience is definitely not usual, but certainly entitles you to make your own gear choices.
I'll put forth that because Mackie is such a popular mixer brand, you'll likely see more failing than other brands. Ask the owners of those boards if they had good service after the fact. Compare that to any Behringer experience.
Speaking of advancing falsehoods...your post does just that.Justice said:
the internet said:
source:http://www.loudtechinc.com/news/1999/11081999.html
"Settled out of court" and "thrown out of court" are two different things.
Mike
mike_v_s said:
yea right...like Mackie is going to come out and say their case got thrown out... its all legal speak. Their case was baseless and got tossed.. The information is out there if you choose to find it.
BassIan said:
Actually, i think he is mostly correct (except for the lawsuit part) I find Mackie HIGHLY overated, over hyped and over priced. Their quality is no better than other MI level boards costing half as much. I have had 2 pieces of Behringer fail ( i own a lot more than 2 pieces). One was a 2 year old UB802 mixer that i have connected to my computer sound card for practicing with. It was left on all the time and i guess it just burnt itself out (it actually partially still works but i replaced it anyway because the line inputs died.) The second was my DDX3216 Digital mixer which was spiked by a failing Furman power conditioner (the Furman was checked and found to be bad so no fault on Behringer for the failure.) I had the extended warranty (purchased from Musicians Friend) and the local repair shop that they had me send it to could not fix it. They were going to recommend that MF replace the board or give me my $$ back. MF could not replace the board since it was discontinued. I wanted my board fixed. I contacted Behringer and explained the problem to them. They (Behringer) sent me a UPS call tag and had me ship the DDX to Audio Electronics in Dallas (at their expense) and I had the DDX back, fully funtional with an upgraded power supply in less than 2 weeks at no cost to myself. That's service.
Have you ever seen a Mackie board and compared it to a Berhinger board? Its also a fact that very few cases such as the one mentioned go to court, as private settlements are made instead. It would seem that Berhinger is probabally paying a great deal to Mackie. By the way I own a Berhinger board.Justice said:
Oh and as for my opinion in relation to the topic at hand (modelers, not Berhinger's legal status) I own a Boss GT-6B FX with modeling, and have used a Line 6 XT before. Quite frankly, I don't like the modeling either provided. It takes forever to dial in, and even then it doesn't sound like the real thing. Love the FX on the -6B though. On a similar note, my guitarist tried out the Berhinger pod unit and all it really did was add noise. No substance, just noise.
I've had a Line6 Bass POD Pro for a few years, it's decent in my opinion but I'd rather have the original amp/effects as opposed to the models.
I find the unit works best when used as a dedicated pre instead of an effects unit run through the loop.
I found it very hard to use live due to a noticeable delay in switching patches and also the inability to tweak the volume levels to be similar between effects.
That being said....I think it's a great studio tool and that's why I keep it around.
I find the unit works best when used as a dedicated pre instead of an effects unit run through the loop.
I found it very hard to use live due to a noticeable delay in switching patches and also the inability to tweak the volume levels to be similar between effects.
That being said....I think it's a great studio tool and that's why I keep it around.
it's not pale, tho
I have the Line 6 Bass POD XT Live. I've had it since February, and i've spent alot of time with it. The amp models are on the money. The Acoustic 360 model sounds exactly like my Acoustic head, even down to the 2x10 cab model. Exact same sonic character. I didnt believe it until i actually heard it myself.
And as for the entire modeling argument....for me, the XT Live didnt have to sound exactly like any paticular amp. I just wanted to have something similiar, but not exactly identical, ya know? I dont like Eden amps just because they're Eden amps....i like them because they sound warm and have great fingerstyle tone. And guess what? The Eden model is warm and has a great fingerstyle tone. It doesnt even matter that it sounds like im actually playing through said head, even tho im not.
I have the Line 6 Bass POD XT Live. I've had it since February, and i've spent alot of time with it. The amp models are on the money. The Acoustic 360 model sounds exactly like my Acoustic head, even down to the 2x10 cab model. Exact same sonic character. I didnt believe it until i actually heard it myself.
And as for the entire modeling argument....for me, the XT Live didnt have to sound exactly like any paticular amp. I just wanted to have something similiar, but not exactly identical, ya know? I dont like Eden amps just because they're Eden amps....i like them because they sound warm and have great fingerstyle tone. And guess what? The Eden model is warm and has a great fingerstyle tone. It doesnt even matter that it sounds like im actually playing through said head, even tho im not.
