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#41
lz4005 said:
Not possible.

Reason 1: "what everyone subconsciously, and objectively wants to hear." is data that cannot be provided to a machine. Because that data does not, and cannot, exist. It will be different for each individual.

Reason 2: An amp the size of a rumble 200 cannot cover most rooms evenly. This is not something technology can change. Moving air is directional. That is why we use PA systems with multiple speakers in multiple locations. Even then the sound changes as you move around the room.

Reason 3: Every genre of music (and sometimes every song, and sometimes every section of every song) requires different volume and tone for the bass. Will your psychic combo amp also know the difference between reggae, jazz, folk and hip hop?

There are more reasons, but those should be enough.

What you want can not happen.
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i completely, although respectfully, disagree with everything you just said.

THE FUTURE my man!
 
#43
Rumbledore said:
great! then pleas show me a combo amp similar to the form factor of a rumble 200, that listens to the room, then collectively provides what everyone subconsciously, and objectively wants to hear. doesn’t exist.
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No one would build this into a combo amp.
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
(Or the company’s bottom line.)
 
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#45
Rumbledore said:
folks, if i may; being honest, im having a frustrating day and starting the thread is an act of deferred outlet on my part. it’s about much more than an imaginary wonder amp:beaver:
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Well at least you aren’t kicking your dog then. (I hope.)

Why don’t you share!
We can make fun of your real problems just as easily as your imagined ones. ;)
 
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#46
Rumbledore said:
i completely, although respectfully, disagree with everything you just said.

THE FUTURE my man!
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The great thing about science, in this case the physics of moving air and the subjectivity of human psychology, is that it disagreeing with it doesn't make it wrong.

Tell me, how will the amp know the right tone for different genres of music?

More specifically, I'm playing a song tomorrow night where I'm playing chords in the intro, so I need a significant bass cut, then in the rest of the song I want my normal tone. How will this magical amp know what I want and provide it?
 
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#49
Rumbledore said:
great! then pleas show me a combo amp similar to the form factor of a rumble 200, that listens to the room, then collectively provides what everyone subconsciously, and objectively wants to hear. doesn’t exist.
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I’ve got a Rumble 200 and prior to selling my D.A.K. Graphic EQ, at the Grand Old Garage Bander Sale of 2018, I connected it via the send/return and tried it. It S.U.K’d just as bad there as it did on my stereo.

The concept is technically valid, but becomes flawed when you add the human component.
For this to work, you must allow Judgement day to take place and for John Conner to be killed before he grows up.

The Cyberdyne Terminator reference was spot on for how you should implement this feature in a bass amp.
But then the A.I. in the Terminator should be able to adjust what it hears individually to it’s own liking regardless of the mix and the room. Assuming “like” and individuality are a component of Cyberdyne A.I. that is.
 
#50
Rumbledore said:
i personally think that is absolute bunko.

play a hideous tone all night (essentially ruin the band’s whole sound), and that band would sink off into never-land).

Just as an example of truth that they care quite greatly in fact, people commonly just straight up leave a club if the bass tone was hideous.
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IDK.. A lot of people still like Rush...
 
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Rumbledore said:
i personally think that is absolute bunko.

play a hideous tone all night (essentially ruin the band’s whole sound), and that band would sink off into never-land).

Just as an example of truth that they care quite greatly in fact, people commonly just straight up leave a club if the bass tone was hideous.
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Sure. There is "horrible enough to make some people leave". That's more often a sound guy problem. Your "perfect amp" wouldn't even fix that.

But, short of too boomy for comfort, nobody cares to an extent. They might leave one show saying "That band sounded great" and anither saying "They didn't sound so great" but they could never narrow it to the bass tone.
 
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#54
Rumbledore said:
perhaps as both show-goers and performer(s) could check-in at the door (kiosk type), a computer could/would average their preferred tone, the amp would then deliver the results requested, maybe as pandora delivers
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Computers and robots - also not "all analog". You're going to have to drop the analog requirement to get anywhere with this idea.
 
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#56
Passinwind said:
Speaker free DJ shows are already a thing. Just work out an app so everyone in the audience can control their own headphone mixes via their stoopid phones, and profit!
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I played a gig like this once - late night at a small festival, it was me, a DJ, and two guitarists. The DJ and guitarists were all running Ableton Live rigs. No loudspeakers allowed, everything went through headphones.

At one point I slipped off my headphones and the only thing audible was the dancers gently shuffling their feet on the grass, and few quietly mumbling or singing along. It was a lot of fun!
 
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#58
Rumbledore said:
Analog robot - Wikipedia
Analog computer - Wikipedia
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Did you *even read* those wikis? Analog computers can do very basic mathematical computations, like the Babbage computing machine. Analog robots have no ability for signal processing - says so right in the wiki you linked. How will it evaluate the music without signal processing?

It's one thing to dream big, it's entirely something else to just be foolish.

If you want an analog computer that operates on an instruction set and can perform conditional logic, get ready to haul around about a ton of gears, springs, cogs, cams, and such. Totally impractical.

Well - unless you use nano technology. Then you are developing the world's most expensive bass amp by a factor of a million. Maybe by a factor of a billion.
 
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Rumbledore said:
great! then pleas show me a combo amp similar to the form factor of a rumble 200, that listens to the room, then collectively provides what everyone subconsciously, and objectively wants to hear. doesn’t exist.
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And simply CAN'T exist. Because "everyone" will not agree on what they want to hear, so a single solution that satisfies "everyone" does not exist.

How old are you?
 
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