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Ampeg "Refrigerator" Questions?

My bassist just got his cherry popped last night, at a "gear provided" situation. He has never before played through an 8x10 Ampeg refrigerator! Even with the less than stellar SVT 450 head, the "in your face" punch, clarity and consistency of notes/tones up & down the neck turned him into an incurable addict within minutes!

Now, even though I only "dabble" with the bass, I'm the guitarist, main singer and gear hound researcher and finder of the band, given that I have no day job! I also realize that it behooves me to help Jimmy get the best sound he can. His current rig is a Carvin R600 head bi-amped into 1- 2x10" and 1- 1x15" Carvin cabs. While fairly adequate, it doesn't even compare well with the tone, color and character of most Ampeg products! He also has an older Ampeg BA115 (knobs on top) with an upgraded speaker and we both prefer the sound and response of it, within its wimpy power limits, of course!

With all that said, I've started the search for upgrading our bass rig. The wide variety of 8x10 and 4x10 products, even from just Ampeg alone can be kinda confusing. Some seem to be ported, some not. Some claim poplar construction in the write-up while showing birch in the specs. I realize that birch can be resonant and not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I've been in bands and even a touring sound engineer for nearly 50 years and I've seen a wide range of 8x10 boxes. Some are actually 4, separate 2x10 boxes built into one cabinet and some appear to be 2- 4x10 boxes in one. I've even seen one that had 8x10 speakers, all on the same baffle, all in one big enclosure. I'm guessing that sound and response can vary wildly! I have boundless questions surrounding which setup will give us the best sound, as well as the pros and cons of each Ampeg box? Given that we're open for used purchases, the selection is rather wide! The most logical (for ease of transport/use) would seem to be 2- 4x10 boxes, or maybe even 4- 2x10?

Bottom line is that we want to get that great punch that comes from the iconic 8x10 refrigerator! We're kinda hoping that 4x10 boxes might be a bit more manageble, without losing any sound and also thinking that even one 4x10 might be a good start, as we don't play very loud. Stage volume gets defined by my 5 to 10 watts of guitar amp and the drummer. It is however, all about the tone! We are also assuming that almost any amp will have improved sound through our planned speaker rig?

FWIW, I just missed (by 15 minutes) what I think was the deal of the century. A brand new condition, SVT-4PRO, for $400.

All Help, Advice, Comments greatly Appreciated!
Gene
 
JimmyM would be the "go to" person for me if I were trying to find Ampeg-like solutions, whether they be Ampeg or not. He knows that sound well and has used lots of different back-line solutions over the years. I suspect his calibrated ear for what gets you into that classic Ampeg big rig territory is as finely tuned as anyone's.
 
OK OK!!! :D

In a 410, the obvious choice is the SVT 410he since it's pretty much half an 810e (uses same speakers). Now I do love those little SVT 210av cabs and use one or two of them a lot, but they won't take the pounding that a 410he will. An SVT 212av is also a good option that can take a decent pounding and is a bit lighter. As for heads, anything they make currently will sound good. You can go light, you can go medium, or heavy, but they all have a good sound. Some prefer tube amps, some prefer regular traditional solid state and hybrids like the 3 and 4 Pros, some prefer micros, but to me they all sound like a proper Ampeg amp should.
 
Well, the iconic Ampeg "Fridge" is made up of 4 sealed 2x10 cabinets - not ported.

They're actually generally easier to move around than a 4x10 cabinet, as one person can easily tip it back on to it's casters, push it along like a shopping trolley, and even tilt & slide it into the back of a pickup/station wagon/estate.

But yeah, if you need to negotiate stairs, or gravel etc, it's a heavy, two person lift.
 
Great comments folks, thank you! Nice perspectives on the 810 vs 410. Thanks also to @JimmyM though his comments only partly narrowed it down. Now, I need to dig into more minutiae to be well armed for the used market, to know what I'm looking at with a pocket full of change. For example: what's the actual differences between the "SVT-810E at $999.99" https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SVT810E--ampeg-svt-810e-8x10-inch-800-watt-extension-cabinet and the "Heritage SVT-810E at $1,299.99" https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...tage-svt-810e-8x10-inch-800-watt-bass-cabinet
and the "SVT-810AV at $1,249.99?" https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...810av-8x10-inch-800-watt-classic-bass-cabinet

I realize the "Heritage" has Eminence speakers and depending on which model looked at, one part of the description claims Poplar while another part claims Baltic Birch! Given that the $999 and $1,249 units seem to use the same speakers, I don't understand what justifies the $300 retail price difference? Ampeg's own, current website doesn't clear up any of this and I can only guess that as we go back in years the discrepancies increase dramatically?

And then there is the question of which 810 models actually have each pair of speakers in their own enclosure, along with whether or not any of the 410 boxes are constructed in that manner? Maybe I should try to find plans and build two half/810 boxes with the separators? I do have a full wood shop at my disposal and know how to use it!
Just sayin'
Gene
 
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Going to agree with Jimmy about the SVT 212 av. LOVE that cab with my V4B. Seriously takes a pounding and sounds great. A lot easier haul than the amazing 810.

Marc
 
I used Acoustics, Peavey, and Carvin in 10,15, and 18 combinations and was reasonably satisfied with them until I played through an SVT810e.

Right away I noticed the 810e just by playing an open E note from my '78 P-Bass had such a tight and defined sound to it whereas other cabinets either sounded kind of blurry or too boomy with the same EQ. The 810e is the tone I have been searching for.

To me the 810e sounds like it was designed and tuned to the tone and punch of a P-Bass and maybe it was.

I now use 2 of them and when used in tandem creates such a strong and powerful sound that I'll never use anything else. I wish I used them from the start!

I last used a GK RB1000 head with the 810e and it sounded very good.
I now went all Ampeg with a SVP Pro tube preamp and a SVT-8 2500 watt SS power amp driving two 810e cabs and it will rock the house down!

I can understand about the portability issue of these but it's worth the hassle so you better have a truck or cargo van to haul them around.

JimmyM says the 410he is essentially the same as the 810e, That would be something to consider if you require easier portability but I would get 2 cabs.

More speakers= more sound
 
Great comments folks, thank you! Nice perspectives on the 810 vs 410. Thanks also to @JimmyM though his comments only partly narrowed it down. Now, I need to dig into more minutiae to be well armed for the used market, to know what I'm looking at with a pocket full of change. For example: what's the actual differences between the "SVT-810E at $999.99" https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SVT810E--ampeg-svt-810e-8x10-inch-800-watt-extension-cabinet and the "Heritage SVT-810E at $1,299.99" https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...tage-svt-810e-8x10-inch-800-watt-bass-cabinet
and the "SVT-810AV at $1,249.99?" https://www.sweetwater.com/store/de...810av-8x10-inch-800-watt-classic-bass-cabinet

I realize the "Heritage" has Eminence speakers and depending on which model looked at, one part of the description claims Poplar while another part claims Baltic Birch! Given that the $999 and $1,249 units seem to use the same speakers, I don't understand what justifies the $300 retail price difference? Ampeg's own, current website doesn't clear up any of this and I can only guess that as we go back in years the discrepancies increase dramatically?

And then there is the question of which 810 models actually have each pair of speakers in their own enclosure, along with whether or not any of the 410 boxes are constructed in that manner? Maybe I should try to find plans and build two half/810 boxes with the separators? I do have a full wood shop at my disposal and know how to use it!
Just sayin'
Gene
the heritage cab is USA made..poplar construction.."custom" eminence speakers...the other is made outside USA..birch construction..eminence speakers.........the AV edition is just an anniversary edition with the blue tone grill cloth instead of the black..and I think its USA made....not sure whether the ear can hear the difference if they were played behind a curtain..some are going to say yes..and others no..I have both an 810 cab and two 4x10 cabs..all ampeg..and I prefer the two 4x10 cabs..and play them side by side on a custom made elevated platform..my amp is the SVT Pro 4..
 
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I find a 810 way easier to manage than 2 410s unless there are stairs involved. The 410s are just the perfectly awkward size that you end up in perfect back straining positions every time you want to move them.

With the tilt back casters on the 810, its super easy to move them around.

Either way - Barefaced makes an 810 that weighs 1/2 as much as the Ampeg and sounds way better.
 
I used Acoustics, Peavey, and Carvin in 10,15, and 18 combinations and was reasonably satisfied with them until I played through an SVT810e.

Right away I noticed the 810e just by playing an open E note from my '78 P-Bass had such a tight and defined sound to it whereas other cabinets either sounded kind of blurry or too boomy with the same EQ. The 810e is the tone I have been searching for.

To me the 810e sounds like it was designed and tuned to the tone and punch of a P-Bass and maybe it was.

I now use 2 of them and when used in tandem creates such a strong and powerful sound that I'll never use anything else. I wish I used them from the start!

I last used a GK RB1000 head with the 810e and it sounded very good.
I now went all Ampeg with a SVP Pro tube preamp and a SVT-8 2500 watt SS power amp driving two 810e cabs and it will rock the house down!

I can understand about the portability issue of these but it's worth the hassle so you better have a truck or cargo van to haul them around.

JimmyM says the 410he is essentially the same as the 810e, That would be something to consider if you require easier portability but I would get 2 cabs.

More speakers= more sound

Well Sir,
That was our initial impression also, with a great P-Bass and it seemed a match made in heaven. And as a life long, touring sound guy, I can totally relate to your last sets of comments. In my world we say: "Extreme excess is never quite enough!" Something that's too loud can always get turned down, but ya just can't "turn up" not enough horse power!

I'm at the point where I'm just trying to determine whether the SVT 410HE has separated pairs or not. If not, we'll likely get an 810 or build our own pair of baffled/separated 410 cabs.

If anyone here has a 410HE, it would be so appreciated if they could yank one speaker and check. I've searched everywhere for the answer, all the way to the end of the internet! drool

And oh yeah, I quit smoking last week, after 50+ years of addiction! Last night's gig in a smoky gin mill, with a few toddies was a real test of my will! I'm bragging to everyone!

So There!
Gene
 
I have several Ampeg amps and cabs including a 1972 SVT head and 810 cab, 2 U.S. made SVT CL heads, U.S. made SVT 350 head, U.S. made SVT 810 that I bought because the deal was too good to pass up. Mint condition with a cover for $400. I also have a couple of 410HLF cabs and 410HE cabs. The HLF cabs are ported a little deeper sounding than the HE cabs. You really can't go wrong with Ampeg. If you're playing mostly smaller venues, your bass player probably won't need an 810.
 
I've been using a 2 12 av cab for a while now. I had been using an 8 10e for quite a while before that. The 2 12 gives me the same sound as the 8 10 and weighs 100 lbs less. Pretty easy decision for and old fart like me with a not so good back. Never tried a 4 10 he but if Jimmy M says they sound great , I would tend to believe him. I've also been very happy with my PF 500 head compared to my SVT Classic. It doesn't do dirt as well as the Classic but for what I'm playing , I don't need dirt.
8 10e.....165 lbs. 4 10 he...95 lbs. 2 12 av... 65 lbs. You won't be disappointed with any of them.
 
If you can find a used 810e Heritage buy it. The best 810 and maybe the best cab Ampeg made. I found a used one by me for $600. I also own a 212av and with the attenuator set to off it can give you the 810 sound. I only have experience with the 410hlf and it was very boomy, and hard to tame.

There is a sale right now on the ampeg pf500 for $350 might be worth a look. I only have experience with ampeg tube amps (svt-vr, v4b ri). After years of chasing "the sound" with pedals and sims it is the svt and 810 heritage for me. My v4b and 212av is my at home sound and it's about 99% "the sound".

For your bass player and low volume needs I recommend the v4b and 810 heritage. The v4b has the ability to break up earlier because of the separate gain/ master volume knobs for the grind. It can also have a lot of headroom if you dime the MV and use the gain to set the level like the svt-vr.

Check local music stores to try out if you can and then track down used. Good luck on the hunt.
 
I used Acoustics, Peavey, and Carvin in 10,15, and 18 combinations and was reasonably satisfied with them until I played through an SVT810e.

Right away I noticed the 810e just by playing an open E note from my '78 P-Bass had such a tight and defined sound to it whereas other cabinets either sounded kind of blurry or too boomy with the same EQ. The 810e is the tone I have been searching for.

To me the 810e sounds like it was designed and tuned to the tone and punch of a P-Bass and maybe it was.

I now use 2 of them and when used in tandem creates such a strong and powerful sound that I'll never use anything else. I wish I used them from the start!

I last used a GK RB1000 head with the 810e and it sounded very good.
I now went all Ampeg with a SVP Pro tube preamp and a SVT-8 2500 watt SS power amp driving two 810e cabs and it will rock the house down!

I can understand about the portability issue of these but it's worth the hassle so you better have a truck or cargo van to haul them around.

JimmyM says the 410he is essentially the same as the 810e, That would be something to consider if you require easier portability but I would get 2 cabs.

More speakers= more sound


I used two Ampeg SVT's 8 x 10's for years with an SVT head, it is the Voice of God! I still have them both but two of them together incites heart attacks in guitar player before you even turn them on:laugh:. Incidentally I'm at the age where most bassplayers my age at least on here play through single 10" cab with 100,000 watt class D amps. 8 x 10 SVT cabs are not difficult to schlep as long as you have something it fits in easily although I once took the back seat out of a 94 Cutless (which are small) and it fit right in there easily.