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Ampeg SVP pro for recording...or Sansamp?

Hi

Im looking into getting an SVP for recording. How has everyone's experiences been with it in a recording context? Is the DI output noisy? Or are these units just hit or miss tube wise?

I am also considering getting a sansamp rbi to blend in with the svp (I currently have a plug in for the rbi and love it, but the sound I love from it is definitely NOT for everything... (A chinky sounding midrange tone) I can only imagine the real deal will be better)

Thoughts?
 
It's okay, but I think the SVP-CL is much better. I guess it depends on the sound you want though. The CL is much cleaner than the Pro can be, but the Pro can get some dirt going on with the gain knob pushed. I'm not a fan of it's particular flavor of gain when going direct though, I feel it's missing something.
 
It's okay, but I think the SVP-CL is much better. I guess it depends on the sound you want though. The CL is much cleaner than the Pro can be, but the Pro can get some dirt going on with the gain knob pushed. I'm not a fan of it's particular flavor of gain when going direct though, I feel it's missing something.


I definitly prefer a "grindier" sound (Doing mostly rock/metal).

Interesting, how does the gain on both compare? I dont need a huge amount of gain, just enough to get some mix splitting crunch going on. :bassist:
 
Hi

Im looking into getting an SVP for recording. How has everyone's experiences been with it in a recording context? Is the DI output noisy? Or are these units just hit or miss tube wise?

I am also considering getting a sansamp rbi to blend in with the svp (I currently have a plug in for the rbi and love it, but the sound I love from it is definitely NOT for everything... (A chinky sounding midrange tone) I can only imagine the real deal will be better)

Thoughts?

I am using an SVP-PRO for both live gigs and recording.

When I first bought it 1.5 year ago it had it's stock tubes in it and was very noisy and the chassis was also badly humming at 60Hertz all the time.

I changed all 5 tubes with new JJ brand tubes and noise and hum almost gone, besides the overall tone and response of the unit improved very noticably. By the way I used Gold Pin versions in V1 and V4 position. I love it so far in every application.
For me the most important feature of the unit apart from the fact that it is a tube preamp is the Drive and EQ features. However as mentioned before the SVP-CL preamp perhaps might suit your needs better as it is regarded as less noisy and having a more open and clear sound. I never tried an SVP-CL by the way.

Don't know Samsamp also, can't comment on that.
 
I definitly prefer a "grindier" sound (Doing mostly rock/metal).

Interesting, how does the gain on both compare? I dont need a huge amount of gain, just enough to get some mix splitting crunch going on. :bassist:

I do too, but like I said, I wasn't a fan of it's particular "flavor" of grind. I though I'd be able to get an SVT-II Pro like tone from it, but I was wrong. I think you need the tube power section to get what I wanted.

The SVP-CL does not get much grind happening, but...it depends on what bass your playing, strings, and technique. I can/do get a little grind out of pretty much anything I play with a J bass, SS strings, and a heavy right hand.

I'd also recommend the SansAmp RPM over the RBI. It's the same thing only with a mid control. IIRC, it gets a little more drive happening too. I have a ParaDriver (pedal version of the RPM) and it kills.
 
I am using an SVP-PRO for both live gigs and recording.

When I first bought it 1.5 year ago it had it's stock tubes in it and was very noisy and the chassis was also badly humming at 60Hertz all the time.

I changed all 5 tubes with new JJ brand tubes and noise and hum almost gone, besides the overall tone and response of the unit improved very noticably. By the way I used Gold Pin versions in V1 and V4 position. I love it so far in every application.
For me the most important feature of the unit apart from the fact that it is a tube preamp is the Drive and EQ features. However as mentioned before the SVP-CL preamp perhaps might suit your needs better as it is regarded as less noisy and having a more open and clear sound. I never tried an SVP-CL by the way.

Don't know Samsamp also, can't comment on that.

Is the line out on the SVP noisy compared to the main outs? Thats my largest concren....

@Bassgod: How would you describe the differences in distortion between the Pro and the Cl?

Definitly going with the rpm, thanks for the heads up! :D
 
Is the line out on the SVP noisy compared to the main outs? Thats my largest concren....

@Bassgod: How would you describe the differences in distortion between the Pro and the Cl?

Definitly going with the rpm, thanks for the heads up! :D

I don't find any of the outputs to be noisy on mine. I know some say it's a noisy preamp though, so I may not have the same issues that others have reported.

There is no distortion on the CL, it's a clean preamp. Any distortion/grind/OD/etc. that you hear has everything to do with the bass, strings, and technique.
 
Is the line out on the SVP noisy compared to the main outs? Thats my largest concren....

@Bassgod: How would you describe the differences in distortion between the Pro and the Cl?

Definitly going with the rpm, thanks for the heads up! :D

Never used or needed the DI Out on my SVP. I always use the regular 1/4 jack preamp out for either recording or live gigs.
And as I mentioned before, with new tubes it's almost considered noiseless, provided you supply enough gain from your instrument and adjust the gain knob so that the PEAK light only flashes occasionally when you hit an open B, E or A string firmly. Of course this recipe is for cleanest and noiseless operation for SVP-PRO.

The main reason why I don't use DI Out is it bypasses the 5th tube in the preamp.
The 5th tube is the final volume stage thats controlled by the Master Volume knob of the unit and the 5th tube also significantly alters/colors the overall sound of the unit when especially used at maximum volume setting. In my experiences using Master Volume full or near full setting makes the sound fuller, warmer, punchier which I like very much.

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By the way, altough I never tried an SVP-CL before, overdrive or grindier sounds should be theoretically obtained by setting high gain levels of the preamp and let the PEAK light always flash in every situation.

Same is true for SVP-PRO also. You can distort the 1st tube by setting high gain levels without ever needing to turn up the Drive knob.

However, at least in my opinion, in both preamps, this type of operation altough does yield a musically appealing quite grindier sound, SVP-PRO's Drive feature comes to help and adds another layer of sweetness and evenness should you need a little bit more definition and character to your sound.

Can't attain that quality by only using higher and higher Gain. The overdriven sound altough quite good a little bit at first can become quite boring and unappealing when you want to use it at high extreme gain levels.

I most of the time use my Drive setting at max and set Gain at moderate levels so that PEAK light occasionally flashes. In SVP-PRO this still makes a clean bass sound with extra sweetness and cutting through quality for high mid frequencies. A more "refined" grind approach for my ears. Also the Drive on SVP-PRO changes the overall EQ response of the unit when only used at low gain situations. I mean it also acts like a High Mid Bump EQ shelving control while cutting some low frequencies. I guess this is intended this way so that the distortion effect is more even accross whole frequency spectrum. Otherwise I guess low freq portion of the spectrume gets distorted more which yields an "unbalanced" distortion sound.
 
I've had both and I sold my SVP and kept my bddi. IMO the SVP was great used live, but I find the bddi easier to dial in a good tone for recording.
 
I've had both and I sold my SVP and kept my bddi. IMO the SVP was great used live, but I find the bddi easier to dial in a good tone for recording.

I like my SVP-Pro but haven't used the DI out for recording. I have used my BDDI a lot for recording and it sounds awesome. I use the XLR out and the clean out and take 2 tracks to record. It give you more options down the road for bass sounds in the mix. I can also get my BDDI to sound almost like my SVP through my power amp into my cab, and I always have it with me live for a back-up. So I say get both.....

BTW I had Mike Putnum mod my BDDI by adding a mid control. Makes it more better.:D
 
I like my SVP-Pro but haven't used the DI out for recording. I have used my BDDI a lot for recording and it sounds awesome. I use the XLR out and the clean out and take 2 tracks to record. It give you more options down the road for bass sounds in the mix. I can also get my BDDI to sound almost like my SVP through my power amp into my cab, and I always have it with me live for a back-up. So I say get both.....

BTW I had Mike Putnum mod my BDDI by adding a mid control. Makes it more better.:D

By "the clean out" that has to mean the parallel out? So you get two sounds and I guess can mix them? how? I'm a 43 year old newb, so I'm struggling on all gear/techno fronts. I have BDDI and a Line 6 Tone Port ux1 and a 5 string Jtype with passive EMG pickups practicing through headphones for 5 months.
fnord!
 
By "the clean out" that has to mean the parallel out? So you get two sounds and I guess can mix them? how? I'm a 43 year old newb, so I'm struggling on all gear/techno fronts. I have BDDI and a Line 6 Tone Port ux1 and a 5 string Jtype with passive EMG pickups practicing through headphones for 5 months.
fnord!

You would run two separate lines to your interface, as long as you have 2 or more channels.

All of the mixing is done in software after the initial tracking is completely.