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Ampeg SVT-15T worth repairing?

Well especially if I can use 8ohm now then yes opens up options. Looks like the Delta, as agedhorse recommends, is pretty good but it does seem to have a very low XMAX but high sensitivity where as the Beta has a lower sensitivity (and SPL) but higher XMAX. There is a Delta Pro 15A that solves this but is much more expensive. The Legend CA154 is 4ohm but less sensitivity (as again agedhorse points out) but has decent XMAX. I did read that despite the Delta 15A low XMAX, it never really comes into play and sounds pretty good.

Agree if I have to ship away to recone - all the fees and charges, etc racks. On a tight budget with 4 kids, might not be a luxury at this time.

Somewhat offset by the increase in volume from 215's.

The Delta 15A is pretty good speaker given the price. Buy a speaker and get free shipping. Recone cost plus shipping both ways and the new speaker could be more cost effective.
 
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Xmax doesn't matter one bit at 70 watts. The Xmax of the Force 15 is similar as well.

Higher Xmax is ONLY beneficial if it's needed for mechanical power handing purposes, otherwise is is not just not beneficial but can be detrimental to performance.

This is why the Force 15 speaker is such a good choice, it's an excellent balance of tradeoffs with a particular nice mid voicing.
 
Understood - I did go looking for a Force 15 and I can only find couple of 30 to 40yr old used ones and then they cost more than new speakers and no guarantees so that's the issue there. But I understand those are the best match here. Thanks.

This is why the Force 15 speaker is such a good choice, it's an excellent balance of tradeoffs with a particular nice mid voicing.
 
Yes - on your advice I started there but having a hard time finding folks and so looks like have to send it in somewhere and between the initial quotes I am getting + shipping both ways + believe it or not there are handling fees and such (business must be good)... it's running up a tab $300-$400. Which I guess I can see the math - I saw a recone kit for $80, add labor hours @ whatever rate (west coast rates are crazy) and all the shipping and handling - I see how that adds up and especially if they got enough local biz and not enough parts then they don't necessarily care if this prices me out, esp if they got more frequent customers that aren't "hobbyists". So I'll have to give up the desire to preserve the original setup... for now. When Jaco Pastorius and Victor Wooten ask me and my 4 kids to tour with them, I will definitely get this amp souped up ;-)

I have been talking about reconing the one you have.
 
Your estimates are simply ridiculous.

The company I posted earlier is about $135 for the recone and shipping should be ~$25 each way. Under $200 to get it done right. I have no idea what you mean by handling charge, you are just shipping the speaker to them, not the cabinet. I have reconed many of these EV speakers (both the Force and EVM platforms, they are a straight ahead speaker for a pro recone shop to do and they will heave exactly the same experience that I have.

It seems that the more I try to help, the more push back I am seeing. Do you want the help or not?
 
Yes - on your advice I started there but having a hard time finding folks and so looks like have to send it in somewhere and between the initial quotes I am getting + shipping both ways + believe it or not there are handling fees and such (business must be good)... it's running up a tab $300-$400. Which I guess I can see the math - I saw a recone kit for $80, add labor hours @ whatever rate (west coast rates are crazy) and all the shipping and handling - I see how that adds up and especially if they got enough local biz and not enough parts then they don't necessarily care if this prices me out, esp if they got more frequent customers that aren't "hobbyists". So I'll have to give up the desire to preserve the original setup... for now. When Jaco Pastorius and Victor Wooten ask me and my 4 kids to tour with them, I will definitely get this amp souped up ;-)

I haven't had the greatest luck with recones. An EV 18B I hard reconed was very sloppy and the voice coil was dragging. The shop told me to shim the frame. Shimming worked for a short period of time, but after a day or so the voice would start dragging again. Eventually I sent the drive to Electro Voice and the job they did looks factory, and the driver has been good for a long time.

The other driver I had reconed was a JBL E120. When I bought it, the voice coil was burned and stuck in the gap. The recone worked for a long time, but if the driver experienced a mechanical shock, the voice coil would sometimes stick to the gap. I was able to remove the driver from the cab and work the voice coil loose a few times, but my guess is this probably deforms the voice coil bobbin. When I had the cab shipped back from Germany the driver was working fine. When it arrived, it still made sound, but the voice coil was totally locked in the gap. Rather than recone it a second time, I went to a local shop and traded it for a used E120 with the original cone. It's not a 100% tone match for my other E120, but very close.

IMHO if you want to retain the original voice, either get the driver reconed or find a good clean used OEM driver. If you are okay with changing the voicing a bit, get one of the drivers Agedhorse has recommended.

In selecting a driver you need to consider the driver's voicing: mid range and treble frequency response. You also need to consider the driver's Thiele-Small (T/S) parameters. TS parameters describe the drivers electro-mechanical qualities. The TS parameter need to be compatible with the cabs internal volume and port dimensions (if any). I believe you indicated this cab is sealed which tends to be a bit more forgiving, but you still want to choose a driver that will work well in a sealed cab.

A driver's data sheet typically gives it's RMS power handling. This is essentially the voice coil's thermal rating. If the average power goes above the RMS rating for an extended time, the voice coil will burn up.

With bass cabs you need to be concerned with low frequency mechanical power handling which is determined by the driver's T/S parameters and how the cab is tuned. The T/S parameters and cab tuning also determine contour of the low frequency response, and where the response drops off.

Back in the old days it was necessary to calculate all of this stuff by hand. Now the box volume and port dimensions are loaded into a computer program, which does the calculations and spits out a model with lots of graphs and charts.

Most of the Eminence professional drivers have a cab design document that models the driver in a variety of boxes. I will attach the spec sheet and cab design doc for the Delta 15A for your review. Keep in mind the cab parameters in these designs probably do not match your amp perfectly.
 

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Hey @agedhorse - I am not understanding your frustratration with me and sensing that, I have gone out of my way to make sure you know that I am indeed receiving your opinions and acting on them by providing the resultant detail of such follow-up. I am sorry if you are taking that as push back. I respect your expertise and am doing the legwork to follow up on your comments. I did not make up any of these quotes or situations. They are from the exact communication back to me from the various places (albeit I have not heard back from that last place yet). The situations are real and not made up. I also told you preferred to figure it out locally vs shipping or driving long distance (experience with stuff going into the ether and the powerlessness of checking on it and getting stuff back, esp right now in this current environment).

You have already educated me significantly on all this stuff, and I now know more than I did coming into it. You are Level 9 and I am Level 1 being generous at best. I get that but I am not pushing back. The difficulty of taking theory into practice within constraints has surprised me as much. Sorry for the frustration if you think I am refuting you on your advice. Not my intent - promise not to pester you with anymore detail.

Your estimates are simply ridiculous.

The company I posted earlier is about $135 for the recone and shipping should be ~$25 each way. Under $200 to get it done right. I have no idea what you mean by handling charge, you are just shipping the speaker to them, not the cabinet. I have reconed many of these EV speakers (both the Force and EVM platforms, they are a straight ahead speaker for a pro recone shop to do and they will heave exactly the same experience that I have.

It seems that the more I try to help, the more push back I am seeing. Do you want the help or not?
 
The pro recone shop that I recommended is nothing like your estimates. I'm in the business, I deal with this stuff all the time, I have done hundreds of recones (factory support). The quotes you have received are the "I don't want to do it" or "I don't want to deal with you" price. You need to ship it to a pro shop if you don't have the resources locally. This is what (real) pro recone shops do, and they do it well.

Is there a part of this that you aren't understanding?
 
The pro recone shop that I recommended is nothing like your estimates. I'm in the business, I deal with this stuff all the time, I have done hundreds of recones (factory support). The quotes you have received are the "I don't want to do it" or "I don't want to deal with you" price. You need to ship it to a pro shop if you don't have the resources locally. This is what (real) pro recone shops do, and they do it well.

Is there a part of this that you aren't understanding?

While I think his shipping prices were kinda way out of reality, have you shipped something yourself lately?

Prices are crazy high, even with the "discounts" you get from Reverb/Ebay.

I am sure you use a corporate account so your prices will be much, much lower.

If he is truly reluctant to ship and deal with someone remotely, he should just contact Eminence and have them suggest an appropriate driver.

Seems like this amp means more to him than just the value of the amp, which is not much.

But I understand he doesn't want to put a lot of money into it.

It's a small, low wattage combo to be used by him and his kids at home, something close to the original specs should do fine in this case, no need to obsess over T/S parameters, just make sure it's a decent speaker for his intended use.

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