Chaka does mix well with in your face bass.
Heck, if anything, Andrew Gouche was kind of mild compared to some of the stuff that Anthony Jackson put down on the Naughty and Wat'cha Gonna Do For Me CDs.
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Andrew Gouche w/ Chaka Khan
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Chaka does mix well with in your face bass.
Heck, if anything, Andrew Gouche was kind of mild compared to some of the stuff that Anthony Jackson put down on the Naughty and Wat'cha Gonna Do For Me CDs.
I just noted the Sharay Reed mention. I had no idea who he was in 2006, but I know now what a bad man he is!
No doubt, Gouche has been playing for a long time (He's 50). I didn't know Sharay played for Chaka! He's another cat who can play runs all day with the best of them! He started really young. I first heard him on Brian Culbertson's early cd's and on a couple of Urban Knights cd's from maybe 10 years ago.
Nice to see this old thread back up and alive.
Probably everyone who would bother perusing this thread knows this already, but just in case some don't, that Chaka disc called something like 'Hits Live' with Gouche, etc. is just SMOKING. I don't think Chaka wanted it released (quite frankly, she doesn't sound that good), but my god, the first two cuts are just simply BURNING.
I actually dig the way Gouche breathed some life into those old tunes. Some of his 'runs' and the drummers long fills literally make you laugh (in a good way). There are lot's of 'are they going to make it to one' moments! Lot's of joy coming through that recording.
Check it out if you haven't.
Probably everyone who would bother perusing this thread knows this already, but just in case some don't, that Chaka disc called something like 'Hits Live' with Gouche, etc. is just SMOKING. I don't think Chaka wanted it released (quite frankly, she doesn't sound that good), but my god, the first two cuts are just simply BURNING.
I actually dig the way Gouche breathed some life into those old tunes. Some of his 'runs' and the drummers long fills literally make you laugh (in a good way). There are lot's of 'are they going to make it to one' moments! Lot's of joy coming through that recording.
Check it out if you haven't.
I wish I could have seen the clip before youtube took it down. Hear is the 1st gouche line I learned for note for note. Just cause the fills.... SO now I can throw those in when I get a lil time
I just watched that re-upped clip and I def dig it. I love the arrangement. Everyone was in together and the basslines keep everything pushing foward with more excitement
I bought the Chaka album off iTunes sometime ago, "One Classic Night - Greatest Hits Live". Gouche has provided me with so many hours of woodshed material on this album!
I remember literally falling out of my seat the first time I heard the substitutions and hits into the second verse of "Ain't Nobody" (at 2:10 of the track) on that album. The whole band had such a gospel chops vibe.
+1, and super +1 to that specific example. I had my buddy TBer Mikebass (SMOKING player) over a while back, and had that disc on my system. We were talking about somethingrelatively deep (i.e., how goes the finances, family, etc., etc.) and that tune was playing. We both busted out laughing (not sure if it was the exact moment you are talking about, but there are quite a few of those 'moments'). It was a classic 'what the f***' moment.
just heard the clip again...........by far the baddest live performance i've heard in years.....killed it, killed it, killed it...........
+1 for overplaying
Gouche is great bassplayer but the two Chaka Khan shows Ive seen, was almost embarrasing. You were awed by his abilities for the first two tunes, but then it got irritating, he filled up EVERY space, even played solos when Chaka was talking to the audience. On top of the that drummer was of the undynamic hardhitting kind, and they were both very loud in the mix. One should have though he was more mature, playing for the music
Gouche is great bassplayer but the two Chaka Khan shows Ive seen, was almost embarrasing. You were awed by his abilities for the first two tunes, but then it got irritating, he filled up EVERY space, even played solos when Chaka was talking to the audience. On top of the that drummer was of the undynamic hardhitting kind, and they were both very loud in the mix. One should have though he was more mature, playing for the music
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And at the end of the day Andrew still has the gig.
Ever thought that that's what Chaka wants from him? He is her md.
Man this is one OLD post and one OLD subject. the guy has fantastic playing ability . However playing well doesn't mean you can "overplay" if its Chakas gig and she likes it thats good for him. As a listener I think he over stepped the boundries of most of the tunes I heard so I don't care what Chaka things just as she don't care what I think.
When you stop leaving spacings the natural funk goes away even if the player covering those spots is funky. Theres alot of common sense needed for playing songs not so much in an ability to play them. I like the spacings, take a breath and relax so the song can grow or just breath too!
Doc
When you stop leaving spacings the natural funk goes away even if the player covering those spots is funky. Theres alot of common sense needed for playing songs not so much in an ability to play them. I like the spacings, take a breath and relax so the song can grow or just breath too!
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Well Andrew is a tb member. Ask him why he plays the way he does with Chaka and why he's able to do what he wants on the Chaka gig.
It is a fact that Chaka likes bass. And most of the songs she's doing she's been doing over 30 years. Maybe she initiated the different spin on her old classics.
Wonder how many none bass players in the audience are complaining about Andrew's playing?
She's still doing her thing and recently she has/was doing a stage play this year with Andrew being her md on that gig as well.
It is a fact that Chaka likes bass. And most of the songs she's doing she's been doing over 30 years. Maybe she initiated the different spin on her old classics.
Wonder how many none bass players in the audience are complaining about Andrew's playing?
She's still doing her thing and recently she has/was doing a stage play this year with Andrew being her md on that gig as well.
Well, the audience (non bassplayers) did get weary after the first couple of songs. You know, when the audience starts chatting and looking everywhere else but on the stage. Its just a question about dynamics, everybodys ears gets tired , musicians and non musicians.
By the way, I dont normally participate in criticising fellow musicians, but was curious in seeing if others had the same impression of that Chaka Khan lineup.
By the way, I dont normally participate in criticising fellow musicians, but was curious in seeing if others had the same impression of that Chaka Khan lineup.
When I'm listening to a BAND play, i want to be able to pick out the various instrument that are being played. Especially since I play more than one instrument. AG is a bad bassist and I would never assume to tell him how to play, but I'd love to hear the other guys play too. And there was hardly any room for Ms. Adams to "go off".
And for those that say why keep talking about this same topic...... It's a lesson every bassist needs to learn. There is a time and place for everything.
There are SO many gospel CDs I can't bear to listen to because the bassist won't let anyone else be heard.
And for those that say why keep talking about this same topic...... It's a lesson every bassist needs to learn. There is a time and place for everything.
There are SO many gospel CDs I can't bear to listen to because the bassist won't let anyone else be heard.
But you have to understand the gospel scene. I have been primarily a gospel/church player and the bass carries the music. If you have a bassist that can deliver the groove and chops the band loves it. I have played with keyboardist and organist that love it when they don't have to cop the bassline and can strictly focus on their chords and melodies. I have played gigs where I have been asked to play busier or to fill the song out more. I have also played more contemporary worship and the bass role is lessened. The bass is not as prominent as it is in gospel. I have also played some rock and classic rock and I had to pull back significantly because that style of music is more guitar oriented.
Someone that has grown up in the church and listens to Andrew play can relate with what they are hearing and have no problem with it. While others that have grown up listening to a more laid back approach will think what is he doing.
Someone that has grown up in the church and listens to Andrew play can relate with what they are hearing and have no problem with it. While others that have grown up listening to a more laid back approach will think what is he doing.
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