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Andrew Gouche w/ Chaka Khan

#81
Robear22 said:
But you have to understand the gospel scene. I have been primarily a gospel/church player and the bass carries the music. If you have a bassist that can deliver the groove and chops the band loves it. I have played with keyboardist and organist that love it when they don't have to cop the bassline and can strictly focus on their chords and melodies. I have played gigs where I have been asked to play busier or to fill the song out more. I have also played more contemporary worship and the bass role is lessened. The bass is not as prominent as it is in gospel. I have also played some rock and classic rock and I had to pull back significantly because that style of music is more guitar oriented.

Someone that has grown up in the church and listens to Andrew play can relate with what they are hearing and have no problem with it. While others that have grown up listening to a more laid back approach will think what is he doing.
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If I hadn't started listening to and playing contemporary gospel, I would have probably been on the "he over plays" bandwagon. Andrew does what a lot of other great gospel bass players do-supply incredible grooves along with very sick and tasty fills! Here are some other examples:

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‪James Ross @ Bassman Dwayne "DW' Wright (New York) - Jross-tv‬‏ - YouTube

‪Justin Raines in New Breed soundcheck(PE Africa)‬‏ - YouTube

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:
 
#82
I've always played and been around the gospel/church players and I still feel he over played. The topic is that BET event. With all that was going on his playing felt too busy.

One of the leading gospel artist here in NYC drummer is my best friend and he HATES when bassist over play.

A.G. Is lucky he has the rep he does and that he's the MD in that situation, cuz playing like that in circles I know won't get you the good gigs. Truth be told!!!!
 
#83
xk3smith said:
I've always played and been around the gospel/church players and I still feel he over played. The topic is that BET event. With all that was going on his playing felt too busy.

One of the leading gospel artist here in NYC drummer is my best friend and he HATES when bassist over play.

A.G. Is lucky he has the rep he does and that he's the MD in that situation, cuz playing like that in circles I know won't get you the good gigs. Truth be told!!!!
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Well Andrew doesn't seem to be hurting from lack of gigs.

And for the record the way some of you are expressing how he was playing on the Chaka gig, he doesn't play like that with every artist that he works with. He gives the gig what he and the artits feel is best for the gig.
 
#84
folks, how about we relax a bit ?!

there is a wrong thought in your thinking from the beginning:
andrew isn't one of those garage band bass players, who can do just one thing and has to find a band that wants just that one thing.
i bet there is a reason for him playing that way.

if he was overplaying, then that's just YOUR opinion. others might like it. and i bet chaka khan liked it too, otherwise andrew wouldn't have played like that, don't you think ?

now, how about some of us put some chaka khan record on with "overplaying bass" and some of us don't ?
 
#85
bottomzone said:
If I hadn't started listening to and playing contemporary gospel, I would have probably been on the "he over plays" bandwagon. Andrew does what a lot of other great gospel bass players do-supply incredible grooves along with very sick and tasty fills! Here are some other examples:

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‪James Ross @ Bassman Dwayne "DW' Wright (New York) - Jross-tv‬‏ - YouTube

‪Justin Raines in New Breed soundcheck(PE Africa)‬‏ - YouTube

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:
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Nice examples of playing, and nice collection/comparison of various tones too!

/rick
 
#86
JAUQO III-X said:
Well Andrew doesn't seem to be hurting from lack of gigs.

And for the record the way some of you are expressing how he was playing on the Chaka gig, he doesn't play like that with every artist that he works with. He gives the gig what he and the artits feel is best for the gig.
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A lot of guys listen to Jaco and think he overplayed too.

I think the key is having good time. Guys who have really good natural time can get away with a lot more notes and make a part work, Jammerson did the same thing but it was a bit more buried in the mix. Andrew G has got seriously good time. He also can play with more space when it's called for. Go back and listen to Andre Crouch Mercy CD, killer bass on that one.

Having said this, That type of playing is not really my thing. I tend to like more economical players like Will Lee and Tony Levin as a matter of personal taste.
 
#87
ZZzzzzzzZzzzzzzzzzz...........You cats on here talking the most trash about MY playing, how come the only vids I can find of YOU, are of you sitting in your bedroom playing some tired recycled funk licks, or coming onstage at someone else's show? Show me some of YOUR gigs so I can critique YOU!! The internet is such a one way street......
 
#88
yogooch said:
ZZzzzzzzZzzzzzzzzzz...........You cats on here talking the most trash about MY playing on, how come the only vids I can find of YOU, are of you sitting in your bedroom playing some tired recycled funk licks, or coming onstage at someone else's show? Show me some of YOUR gigs so I can critique YOU!! The internet is such a one way street......
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Don't sweat it, Gooch! Everyone knows you are a top level player.
 
#89
xk3smith said:
I've always played and been around the gospel/church players and I still feel he over played. The topic is that BET event. With all that was going on his playing felt too busy.

One of the leading gospel artist here in NYC drummer is my best friend and he HATES when bassist over play.

A.G. Is lucky he has the rep he does and that he's the MD in that situation, cuz playing like that in circles I know won't get you the good gigs. Truth be told!!!!
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But he has got a good gig. Truth be told!!!!
 
#90
yogooch said:
ZZzzzzzzZzzzzzzzzzz...........You cats on here talking the most trash about MY playing on, how come the only vids I can find of YOU, are of you sitting in your bedroom playing some tired recycled funk licks, or coming onstage at someone else's show?
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yogooch said:
Show me some of YOUR gigs so I can critique YOU!! The internet is such a one way street......
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;)
 
#91
Let's examine his "penalty for over playing":

-Gladys Knight gig
Andrew Gouche bass w/ Gladys Knight live 1995 - YouTube

-Bass Player Live Seminar and Bass Player cover:
Andrew Gouche at Bass Player Live excerpt 2009 - YouTube

-Very first MTD signature bass:
Mike Tobias' new Andrew Gouche Signature Bass at NAMM 2011 - YouTube

-Having Victor Wooten sit in with his band:
Victor Wooten & Andrew Gouche @ The Jam - YouTube

-Interviewed by Janek Gwizdala:
Andrew Gouche Interviewed by Janek Gwizdala Part 1 - YouTube

-Gospel Chops video:
GOSPELCHOPS.COM PRESENTS: BASS SESSIONZ VOL. 1!! ON SALE NOW!! - YouTube

-Mississippi Mass Choir bassist:
Andrew Gouche With Rev James Moore & The Mississippi Mass Choir "Lift Him Up" - YouTube

Man.......Andrew has been really been neglected and rejected! ;)

A Groove is a Terrible Thing to Waste! :cool:
 
#92
I have to admit that listening to your playing is a reminder that I shouldn't play as many notes as you do.......because I couldn't do it nearly as tastefully and make it work within the fabric of the song. I wish I could get away with HALF that amount!
 
#93
Nice to hear the gospel according to Andrew! Looking forward to seeing you at Bass Player Live!

One thing I dig about the gospel music scene is - it's one of the few genres where players still go for it. At least live they do! To some it may be overplaying.... that's a personal taste thing... but there was a time when people went for it all the time. Music, at least anything popular has become so stylized, tightened up, and formulated - much of it is just players phoning it in (albeit at a very high level).

My only complaint is sometimes a drummer goes for it.... and doesn't quite make it. They set up this whole complicated polyrhythm thing, and it crashes... bummer. I am reluctant to play any fills in that situation. Someone has got to mind the store.


To Serve And Protect The Groove
 
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#94
edfriedland said:
Nice to hear the gospel according to Andrew! Looking forward to seeing you at Bass Player Live!

One thing I dig about the gospel music scene is - it's one of the few genres where players still go for it. At least live they do! To some it may be overplaying.... that's a personal taste thing... but there was a time when people went for it all the time. Music, at least anything popular has become so stylized, tightened up, and formulated - much of it is just players phoning it in (albeit at a very high level).

My only complaint is sometimes a drummer goes for it.... and doesn't quite make it. They set up this whole complicated polyrhythm thing, and it crashes... bummer. I am reluctant to play any fills in that situation. Someone has got to mind the store.


To Serve And Protect The Groove
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+100 I made an informal rule for myself as far as 'goin for it' is concerned. If the drummer's going off on a tangent/fill, I'll lay it as straight as possible, and on the flip side I'll only make a move when the drums are laying straight pocket.

I doubt all of Jamerson's magic would've worked if the drums underneath were flipping 4/4 time into 7/8 constantly.
 
#95
edfriedland said:
Nice to hear the gospel according to Andrew! Looking forward to seeing you at Bass Player Live!

One thing I dig about the gospel music scene is - it's one of the few genres where players still go for it. At least live they do! To some it may be overplaying.... that's a personal taste thing... but there was a time when people went for it all the time. Music, at least anything popular has become so stylized, tightened up, and formulated - much of it is just players phoning it in (albeit at a very high level).

My only complaint is sometimes a drummer goes for it.... and doesn't quite make it. They set up this whole complicated polyrhythm thing, and it crashes... bummer. I am reluctant to play any fills in that situation. Someone has got to mind the store.


To Serve And Protect The Groove
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A good gospel band feeds and reads off each other. When someone "goes for it", the others are courteous enough to listen to what they are doing and then we wait our turn.

I like that term Ed!!!!! That is exactly what guys I know that play in this genre seem to do. I play with guys that can give you straight pocket if required but there are times when that gets boring. They want to be challenged and add some spice to the music. It has made me a better player because now I am not content with just knowing the root and basic pattern of the song. I am seeking out what type of mode or arpeggio can work with what key we are playing in. What feel or fill can work in this space. What can I take away to change the groove. There are times when simple works and times when I can cut loose and really fill up some of that space. All in all it is making me a better player.
 
#100
yogooch said:
ZZzzzzzzZzzzzzzzzzz...........You cats on here talking the most trash about MY playing on, how come the only vids I can find of YOU, are of you sitting in your bedroom playing some tired recycled funk licks, or coming onstage at someone else's show? Show me some of YOUR gigs so I can critique YOU!! The internet is such a one way street......
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LOL! Some of us get it. Personally, I have learned to tone it down at times, but you and Abraham Laboriel are my 2 biggest influences when playing Gospel, and my worship leader trusts me to know to play appropriately whether we are playing Lincoln Brewster, Chris Tomlinson, Israel Houghton or one of the old gospel tunes you or Abe played on. Biggest compliment I've ever gotten was after a Sunday of nothing but gospel (we're a multicultural church so we mix it up A LOT!), and an older African American woman came up to me and said "you sure don't play that bass like no white boy I ever seen before"... I told her that was because I grew up listening to you and Abe.
 

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