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We had Dunblane (google it!) - since the ban on handguns - no similar massacres have happened - how easy do you want the logic to be? :rollno:

But we're going to get overrun by a tyranical government!

Dunblane sucked, I knew two kids that went there (brother and sister, friends of the family), who were just a few years younger than me at the time. Thank christ it wasnt thier class!
 
Yup - how many deaths/ incidents will it take before people realise that :


No Guns = No Massacres....? :hmm:



We had Dunblane (google it!) - since the ban on handguns - no similar massacres have happened - how easy do you want the logic to be? :rollno:


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I live about 2 hours from NIU.A lot of local kids go there.Hard to believe.As long as the media does non stop,in your face reporting of these shootings for days after it happens,there will always be someone unstable enough mentally to think this is his or her way to be famous.It's very sad.
 
Here is an honest question.

Guns were easily available in the 60's=very few school shootings

Guns were easily available in the 70's= very few school shootings

Guns were easily less easily available in the 80's = a few more school shootings

Guns were more restricted and banned from schools in the 90's = School shooting becomes far more common

I don't think in the US this has ANYTHING to do with guns. Because the availability of firearms has become more restricted if anything and yet this type of incident is on the rise at an alarming rate. Firearms were far more common in American homes in the fifties, and they had firearms instruction at many HS, but nobody thought this was a way to make a name for themselves or solve their teen angst. So besides gun availability which hasn't changed. WHAT ELSE HAS CHANGED?

A few suggestions:
1) The importance that is placed on celebrity, and the fact that we have more people then ever who are famous and really haven't "done anything". That fifteen minutes thing seems to last a lot longer with incessant 24 hour news coverage.

2) The fact that as god is removed from the equation the rationality for values like compassion, equality, and individual human dignity, is on shakier ground, especially for those who are irrational in the first place.

3) The feeling that for many hedonism and materialism has replaced the thought of fear of some judgement in the afterlife. Again the rational keep the rules because they know society can't function with out it, not out of fear of an afterlife judgement. But what about a vast majority who don't even think about this stuff? How do they deal with crisis, when the fear of judgement is no longer part of their value system? To a person who sees no value in the rest of their life, no value in others, and sees no judgement, what rational argument is there against suicide or homicide?
 
I have just resolved that if I am ever to commit a brutal massacre, I will use a chain saw, samurai sword, morning star, flaming arrows, anything, just to spare the internet from another gun discussion that goes nowhere and allows the same people to spout the same ideas to the same people who already know the "truth".
 
It's just easier to scream "ban guns" rather than looking deeply into the root causes of things like this, and maybe seeing that this 'progressive', 'enlightened' path that we've been on since the 60's is fundamentally flawed.

But the mantra seems to be, "of course it's not flawed; we just haven't done enough of it yet!"

It's the systematic deconstruction of values and culture. Manufacture chaos, and people will clamor to give someone, anyone, more control over them for a false sense of security.
 
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