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Any 8-string bass players out there?

I'm curious, what are the practical applications of an 8 string? What songs/genres call for it?

Not sure any song/genre "calls for it" per se, but it might help to listen to some classic examples of 8-string bass use:

The Who - "Trick Of The Light"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6fFtWi318s

Led Zeppelin - "Achilles Last Stand"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6S9oqJRclo

Material - "Memory Serves"


...plus whatever Cheap Trick or Pearl Jam tunes anyone wants to suggest.
 
Not sure any song/genre "calls for it" per se, but it might help to listen to some classic examples of 8-string bass use:

The Who - "Trick Of The Light"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6fFtWi318s

Led Zeppelin - "Achilles Last Stand"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6S9oqJRclo

Material - "Memory Serves"


...plus whatever Cheap Trick or Pearl Jam tunes anyone wants to suggest.


Heaven Tonight by Cheap Trick is a good one. You need an 8 or 12 plus a fuzz box. Also listen to the live version of Ain't That a Shame.
 
I'm curious, what are the practical applications of an 8 string? What songs/genres call for it?

I'm not knocking it, just legitimately curious.



Well, the practical application is for arrangements that can use a bit more sonic spectrum. You can read this to mean "rock" for the most part, but of course you can find an application for that sound in any style if your are tasteful and creative enough.

Multi course basses sound great in applications like a trio. You fill up more sonic space and one guitar bands sound "bigger" that way. Even more so if there are two guitars and/or keyboards.

Twelve string basses function the same way, only a bit "more." For me, there is a trade-off between sound and playability with the twelves, which is why I prefer eights. I tend to play busy when I can and anything I can do on a single course bass, I can do on an eight. Not so on a twelve. Complicated runs just don't fly on a twelve, they sound like mush.

Players who have made cool musical statements with 8s or 12s are almost always rockers.

John Entwistle and John Paul Jones did some pioneering work in their later work with the Who and Zep respectively (in the 70s double course basses were very new). Chris Squire used an eight on some of his later work with Yes. Jones still plays a 10 string (double course 5 string) on his solo tours.

Tom Petersson pioneered the 12 in Cheap Trick. He used 8s on the first album, I think, as he hadn't yet invented the 12.

Dug Pinnick made his 12 string a signature of the King's X sound.

Jeff Ament also made his 12 a signature part of Pearl Jam's sound, although he only uses it for a few songs. Remember, PJam has two guitarists so the 12string bass didn't always make sense.

Note that real rippers above used 8s. Pinnick, Ament, and Petersson are good, but without the 12 string basses, we wouldn't be talking about them. The other three, well.....

The down side to multi course basses?
Well, for one, they are harder to play. You're fretting two strings at a time so more effort is required by the fretting hand.
Two, the tone range is higher, which means that you're playing in the guitarist's range. This can can sometimes lead to sonic competition: King's X guitarist Ty Tabor often asks for Dug Pinnick to use a four string for Tabor's compositions so that the guitar sound doesn't get "crowded." (cf: keyboards, Rush)
Three, it's a complex sound so applications for "not complex" music is tricky. You can play blues patterns on an 8 or 12, but it doesn't sound like "the blues."
Four, you pretty much have to use a pick. Not really an issue for me, but if you're a fingerstyle only guy, this is a problem. Sure, there are some guys on TalkBass that will say that they can play them with their fingers, but notice this: The Pros all use picks. All of them. It doesn't matter what we brag about on TalkBass, multi course basses sound better with a pick.

All told, they are a lot of fun. As I said, I prefer 8s because they don't slow me down. A little chorus or some tasteful preamp distortion and you can turn your power trio into a big big wall of sound. Great for four or five pieces too, if your rhythm guitarist doesn't mind being turned into a sound effect. :hiding:

If you're a rock player, I can recommend an 8 if you want a heavy sonic changeup.
 
you pretty much have to use a pick. Not really an issue for me, but if you're a fingerstyle only guy, this is a problem. Sure, there are some guys on TalkBass that will say that they can play them with their fingers, but notice this: The Pros all use picks. All of them. It doesn't matter what we brag about on TalkBass, multi course basses sound better with a pick.

Pure 100% hogwash. Total BS.
 
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Pure 100% hogwash. Total BS.


No, it's an opinion that seems to conflict with yours.

But since my opinion was backed up by examples and yours wasn't, well, I'd say my input was more helpful for the poster that asked about application and yours basically fails.

Of course, if you have counterexamples I'd love to hear them as I love 8 and 12 string bass. I'm dissappointed that you didn't already provide.

That's why I made the comment about TalkBass as a forum. It's easy to assert an opinion and call it fact. It's another thing to actually listen to others (preferably playing bass).

Hogwash would be to say that 8s and 12s sound best with a Tort pickguard. But this is TalkBass, so you might try to argue about that too.

Here's my point: You can play a multi course bass with a violin bow in a hard core bluegrass band left handed wearing rubber underwear. The possibilities are endless for the right player. But the guys who are actually making musical statements are playing rock and they are using picks. And there is a reason for that. For the guy asking the question, that's relevant input. No hogwash, no BS.

Please introduce us to players pioneering a different direction, as I'm sure we would all enjoy it.

thanks.

:bassist:
 
I had an 8 string Viellette-Citron bass years ago,when Cheap Trick and King's X were first gaining popularity,and loved the way it sounded. You could control the amount of higher frequency twang by technique,playing fingerstyle or pick,and rolling off the treble. I would really like to get another 8 string at some point,if i can just find something affordable that feels good,too. The best contender i've seen recently is a Waterstone Tom Pettersen model,it seems like one of the few that doesn't feature emg's,active electronics,multi- band EQ,etc...(things i tend to avoid)
And having tried out a half dozen 12-ers,i can say they are not for me,for the same reasons posted previously.
 
Love 8's and 12's, got no need for them. Bought a Dean Rhapsody 8 once, found myself using it when I backed up The Crystals 3 or 4 times a year and that was it. Now I just use a Micro Pog when I want that sound. Yes, I know it's not quite the same, but it's close enough to where I don't care.

I had a Warmoth 8-string neck on a Squier J for a while, and I second Jimmy. I loved it, especially as a fan of Pearl Jam's Jeff Ament--it was on my GAS list for over 20 years.

I had a lot of fun with it, and enjoyed playing around with droning the low string while fretting around the neck with the high string, or vice versa. Lots of creative opportunities ... for the right band. Mine is not the right band at this time. So I unloaded it, and kept the MicroPOG.

Then I sold that, too, to fund my Squier VI ... Insipid GAS! I miss having the extended range and creative possibilities, but it wasn't worth tuning, carrying around, etc. Maybe I'll think again later, but for now, I only miss the MicroPOG.
 
For years I have wanted a eight string bass, I broke down a few months ago and bought a Waterstone V8 Thunderbird. Aside from the fact I had to replace nearly every component to make it usable it sounds great. Application? Limited. I planned to use it for the CT songs in the set but I left my band of 13 years. Until I got a 8 string I used my Micro Pog to fake it, worked amazingly well! As the Waterstone arrived
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I have a Hagstrom w/ a Mudbucker, but it's neck is all wacked out and the trussrod is broke or something. It's unplayable. A few years ago to replace it, I got Washburn bass, squeezed in four banjo tuners and mounted a 8 string brigde from Allparts. The neck is not the real easy to play, but the sound on certain songs just nails it. Like a lot of TB'ers, I'm on a budget. In fact my truck hasa bumper sticker on it that sez: "Driver carrys no money. He's married"....
 
I have a Hagstrom w/ a Mudbucker, but it's neck is all wacked out and the trussrod is broke or something. It's unplayable. A few years ago to replace it, I got Washburn bass, squeezed in four banjo tuners and mounted a 8 string brigde from Allparts. The neck is not the real easy to play, but the sound on certain songs just nails it. Like a lot of TB'ers, I'm on a budget. In fact my truck hasa bumper sticker on it that sez: "Driver carrys no money. He's married"....

I'm curious about your Washburn/banjo mod ... any pics? Tips? This seems like the kind of nuttery I'd like to try someday! :p
 
I've thought about banjo or original Firebird type tuners as well, but you'd have to keep in mind that they'll stick out pretty far from the back of the headstock (meaning it may not fit in many cases after the mod)
 
Four, you pretty much have to use a pick. Not really an issue for me, but if you're a fingerstyle only guy, this is a problem. Sure, there are some guys on TalkBass that will say that they can play them with their fingers, but notice this: The Pros all use picks. All of them. It doesn't matter what we brag about on TalkBass, multi course basses sound better with a pick.

I've played octave string basses off and on since 1991. I never even tried a pick with one until a few months ago. I still find them easier to play with my fingers than with a pick, and it's not for lack of picking technique (I'm an accomplished electric guitarist as well and use advanced picking techniques every day). Just that finger style is pretty easy on them. My current Hagstrom is about as easy to play as my old luthier built one was in the 90s.

With a rick you have to use a pick or you will never touch the octave string because they put it on the (imho wrong) bottom side, gravity-wise when playing hte instrument. But on most basses the octave string is on top, gravity wise, and therefore gets hit easily by your finger as you play the main lower octave string. It's very straight forward if you have normal finger style technique where you play into the body of the bass instead of picking at it with your finger tips incorrectly.
 
I had an 8 string Viellette-Citron bass years ago,when Cheap Trick and King's X were first gaining popularity,and loved the way it sounded. You could control the amount of higher frequency twang by technique,playing fingerstyle or pick,and rolling off the treble. I would really like to get another 8 string at some point,if i can just find something affordable that feels good,too. The best contender i've seen recently is a Waterstone Tom Pettersen model,it seems like one of the few that doesn't feature emg's,active electronics,multi- band EQ,etc...(things i tend to avoid)
And having tried out a half dozen 12-ers,i can say they are not for me,for the same reasons posted previously.

Dang. i wanted the one with the Macassar top and flamed maple core. So bad .. Didn't have the cash back then.. I've never seen an 8 up for sale!
 
I put dowels in some of the existing headstock holes. Painted it gloss black and then drilled new holes. I cut a nut out of a small piece of hard maple. But I guess was lucky in that the banjo tuners (from StewMac) were the same heigth as the Grover-like bass tuners on thw Washburn. At the start, the Washburn was expendable to me, so if it messed up, no big loss. I run the thing though an old Traynor YB head (100 watts?) into a modern 15" GK cab. I'll try to figure out how to post a picture of it.