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Any Behringer users??

I have owned Behringer equipment in the past, I think that it is an ok buy if you need something quick and are short on cash, but IMO I would reccomend saving up a little more cash and buying something of better quality, i do have a 4x12 for guitar though and it sounds great for the money
 
I find it frustrating that it's perfectly acceptable to flame Behringer on a Behringer thread, but what happens when you flame Fender on a Fender thread? The world explodes.

I'm proud to defend Behringer against the drones of people on here that think it's cool to bash Behringer because everyone else does. I'm talking about the types of comments that say "behringer sucks' etc. This is not constructive in any way shape or form. I'm cool with people sharing their experiences. Posts like 'my behringer head blew' is fine. But imagine if I were to go to a Fender or Ric thread and just post 'fender sucks'. I'd get an onslaught of "destructive and pointless criticism is not tolerated on TB.. blah blah blah."

Well, apparently it is.
 
I find it frustrating that it's perfectly acceptable to flame Behringer on a Behringer thread, but what happens when you flame Fender on a Fender thread? The world explodes.

I'm proud to defend Behringer against the drones of people on here that think it's cool to bash Behringer because everyone else does. I'm talking about the types of comments that say "behringer sucks' etc. This is not constructive in any way shape or form. I'm cool with people sharing their experiences. Posts like 'my behringer head blew' is fine. But imagine if I were to go to a Fender or Ric thread and just post 'fender sucks'. I'd get an onslaught of "destructive and pointless criticism is not tolerated on TB.. blah blah blah."

Well, apparently it is.

I find it frustrating when people flame Behringer for building cheap clones of other manufactures designs, but then heap praise on companies like SX who do the same thing.

Smacks of double standards somewhat.
 
never heard or played a behringer bass a mp but have heard bands with their pa amps and speakers and it sounded fine to me. I've even asked them about the gear and have always heard good comments. Makes me wonder why so much bashing of their bass gear. I think a good part of the horror stories may be from abuse from newbies causing failures, being lower priced i would think that most of the use is by kids and folks just starting out that may have killed any thing they where using. Not defending them,just wondering.
 
I have the BX4500H head, and it's survived 200+ shows with my cover band over the past three years. It's not perfect: the sound is generic, the VU meter does nothing, the Ultrabass function isn't usable, and the inputs are weak and have been replaced. Having said that, it does what I need it to do, which is amplify my bass and get people dancing. Through a 4 ohm Avatar 2X12 cab, it's loud enough for the gigs I play and shows no signs of letting up. That may not be the common experience with Behringer gear, but I do think that it's certainly outperformed given my expectations.
It's almost performed too well, in the sense that the bloody thing won't die so that I have an excuse to buy a sleek, new, weigh-next-to-nothing head ....
 
I've been using the behringer BX3000T (300W version of the 4500H), without a single problem for 6-7 years. No noise at all, good sound quality, and a lot of possible sounds (I loved the "shape" function). I have used it for rehersals (mostly), live performances and recording through the DI output. I would reccomend it to any bassist with tight budget, is an excellent entry-level head for my taste. I also know that there are a lot of reviews complaining about reliability. If they scare you, go for an Ashdown MAG 300 head (a little bit more expensive than Behringer), or the MAG 600 if you need more power (you'll need to pay a little more). Good luck!

A 3000xt was my first amp along with a matching 4 by 10 behringer cab. It sounded like crap, very muddy, couldn't handle a 5 string well, although thats probably the cabs fault. I tried the head with different setups and cabs and it sounded decent. I sold it after a year and got a gk1001rb II and neo212 cab and never looked back... The guys I sold it to haven't had an issue with it and that was 4 years ago... On the other hand my techs shop is littered with behringer power amps, mixers and amps and I have seen ton of other behringer gear crap out on people so I'd stay away and get a used gk400rb or peavey mark series... Most people I know wouldn't touch behringer with a 10 foot pole...
 
I find it frustrating that it's perfectly acceptable to flame Behringer on a Behringer thread, but what happens when you flame Fender on a Fender thread? The world explodes.

I'm proud to defend Behringer against the drones of people on here that think it's cool to bash Behringer because everyone else does. I'm talking about the types of comments that say "behringer sucks' etc. This is not constructive in any way shape or form. I'm cool with people sharing their experiences. Posts like 'my behringer head blew' is fine. But imagine if I were to go to a Fender or Ric thread and just post 'fender sucks'. I'd get an onslaught of "destructive and pointless criticism is not tolerated on TB.. blah blah blah."

Well, apparently it is.

+1
 
In my experience if you have a good bass you can usually get playable tone out of any amp .. I'm not talking volume, but "tone" (unless the bass amp is actually damaged in someway)
I'm not saying I think Behringer amps are as good as the high end stuff or that all amps are the same or equal, because obviously they are not.

I just think that a lot of people that can't get good tone out of a Behringer probably can't get good tone out of anything else either.
 
I would suggest finding a used Hartke 3500, or Ashdown Mag series if money is super tight. I will give away the secret weapon in my arsonal....check out a Peavey T-Max if you can find one. They usually list for under $275. It really is one of the greatest heads of it's time, and not many heads in the same range can give you what the T-max does. To show you how strongly I feel about that statement, I have loaned out my Ashdown ABM 900 EVO III several times to my buddies, but my T-max went out only once and I was totally frazzled! I even showed up to the guys gig to pick it up instead of waiting for him to bring it back to me! Mind you it's not the most powerful unit @8ohms, but ts no punk! With a good cabinet this thing will hang with some 500 watt heads. @ 4ohms...SWEETNESS!!! It's stable down to 2ohms, never tried it. I have used it with a Schroeder 1012L, Ashdown ABM 410T, Peavey TVX, and an Eden D410T and it sounds good with each.

That being said, I have heard good things from Behringer as well. I had the Thunderbird practice amp a few years back...LOVED IT! It was the best sounding 8 inch practice amp that I ever heard in that price range! Not a big fan of anything else of theirs except for a few pedals.

I have a buddy that has the BH4500, it's a servicable head. Nothing spectacular, but it gets the job done! I believe that the head is a bit limited in it's tonal palette. You may find yourself wanting more later.

I believe in purchasing good equipment used rather than mediocre (dare I say cheap) new. I also look at my gear as an investment. I have seen good players not get gigs because of tone issues. Yes, its possible to attempt to dial in a decent tone with just about any head, but dialing in the tone that's in your head is different. All pieces of equipment can't do that for you.
 
OK, so I went to the local guitar supercenters and tried out Hartke LH500, Ampeg SVT, and GK 1001rb.
The GK won hands down. Flat out hated the Hartke (though i love my hartke 2500.. weird) and didn't really care for the SVT. My only issue with the GK (other than $$) is that I couldn't get it to sound "clean", but that's prob cause I don't know it yet.
So there it is. Thanks for all of your imput. No one the stores even carriend Behringer so I can offer no comment on that. Thanks to the person who mentined RMS verses peak wattage so now I know to look out for that.
 
OK, so I went to the local guitar supercenters and tried out Hartke LH500, Ampeg SVT, and GK 1001rb.
The GK won hands down. Flat out hated the Hartke (though i love my hartke 2500.. weird) and didn't really care for the SVT. My only issue with the GK (other than $$) is that I couldn't get it to sound "clean", but that's prob cause I don't know it yet.
So there it is. Thanks for all of your imput. No one the stores even carriend Behringer so I can offer no comment on that. Thanks to the person who mentined RMS verses peak wattage so now I know to look out for that.

Um...yeah. As far as not getting a "clean" tone out of a GK head, U should have absolute NO PROBLEM with that pal! LMAO!! Spend some time with it and see why I'm chuckling. :D

For the longest it had been considered a bit TOO clean for alot of players. As for the Hartke, the LH is a totally different beast from the 2500.
 
In my experience if you have a good bass you can usually get playable tone out of any amp .. I'm not talking volume, but "tone" (unless the bass amp is actually damaged in someway)
I'm not saying I think Behringer amps are as good as the high end stuff or that all amps are the same or equal, because obviously they are not.

I just think that a lot of people that can't get good tone out of a Behringer probably can't get good tone out of anything else either.

What he said.. :spit:
 
Well, I couldnt actually afford the rb 1001. I know someone selling one used, but he wasn't down with me needing to make 2 payments. I completly understand that.
I was able to get a used 700rb (i figured out what that gain button is for, so no problems with not sounding "clean"). I also got the MBX 410. It does NOT fit in my trunk unfortunately, and it's super heavy, but it has a decent sound and the rig together is plenty volume. My other consideration was an Acousttic cab, but the thing just looked a bit fragile to me. IMO, so far I get good amount of lows. I gig with it tomorrow night so I guess that will be the real test.
I do like that unlike my Hartke HA2500, the effects send is in the front instead of the back. Don't know really why they would put it back there, but the EQ section on the 2500 takes up a lot of room so maybe it's a space issue.
Thanks again for all the help and advice! Can't wait to use it tomorrow night!!:hyper: :bassist:
 
Sorry for starting the thread up again, I just thought that I would share my opinions and experiences with the BX4500H and other Behringer gear I've owned or owns.

Firstly, I do not agree with the numerous "Behringer just crap" comments. It seems like most people don't get the fact that Behringer is a brand that focuses on budget equipment, and the equipment they make are in the cheap range, both price and quality wise. Most people seem to compare Behringer to 1000$+ amps, and of course the Behringer don't hold up to the more expensive and well sounding amps that most of us do play. If you do take the price in mind, the sound, features and quality is not that bad at all.
I do not use any of my Behringer gear anymore, not because it's bad, but because I do have something much better. But I'm pretty damn sure that I would never have been able to keep my interests in playing bass, if it weren't for Behringer. Back when I started playing in one of those early teen Metallica, Megadeth, AC/DC jam bands, I was glad I had my Behringer BX4500H. I had no money myself, and my parents gave it to me as a christmas gift, and I was extremely happy about it. It had plenty of power to keep up with the two guitarists, both using 200 Watt Randall half-stacks and a really loud drummer, all of whom didn't understand the concept in "less-is-more" meaning we always played at ear-damaging sound levels.
My experience with the BX4500H has generally been good. It was a great beginners amp for me, until I got to the point in my "career" where I could afford better equipment. I went all 70's tubeamp (Traynor YBA-3) and Ampeg cabs, which is just miles ahead of the Behringer.

Now to the technical part. I've had 3 Behringer BX4500H amps. My first one did blew up (though not in that dramatical smokey way), and I got a new under warranty. The third one I got for free, so I do own two functioning units right now. Of pure interest I did wonder wether the amp were really 450 Watts or not. And yes, in fact it does deliver 450 Watts RMS into 4 Ohms without clipping. The thing is that the amplifier does have a built in limiter circuit, which reduce the output signal if it is to reach more than 60 Vpeak. This does in fact mean that the amp can put out a sine wave at 60 Vpeak without clipping. A sine wave that is 60 Volts peak has an RMS value of 42,4 Vrms (60 volts divided by the square root of 2 which is 1,414. This is basic electronics theory). 42,4 Volts over a load of 4 ohms gives a current of 10,6 Amperes. When you times the amperes with the volts, you get the power (watts). 10,6 times 42,4 gives 449,6~450 Watts. The amp does in fact deliver 450 Watts. Curious as I am, I did of course take the amp apart, just to see how it was built inside. Generally the soldering of the boards looked nice and the power transformer is actually overrated in output power. It was rated at least 550VA (though the actual effective power output is somewhat less) and I was actually kinda surprised about that, since I did expect to see an underpowered transformer, as this is usually allowable since no-one rarely pulls full power out of the amplifier. From a technical point of view, the amplifier holds up to it's specifications, power-wise.
The sound quality is, as you might expect from an amplifier in this class, not exactly something to yell HURRAH! for, but it's fairly noiseless (though it could be alot better with decent and correct ground wiring), the EQ does it's job and it has the deep and bright switches for adding extra lows or highs. The shape-filter is a fine addition for those who want to fiddle a bit with their tone, but people (including myself) usually outgrows that feature, when you find your own sound in more expensive gear. The ultrabass function is as such useless, but my experience is that it's generally not as bad as people usually say. It has some difficulty tracking notes from the D-string and lower, but if one is to keep playing above that, it works quite well.
Generally you get features and power that no other brands get even close to matching in that price range. Think 450 Watts, 5 band EQ, low and bright switch, effect loop, tuner out, built in DI out and decent sound.
Most people seem to compare Behringer to GK, Ashdown, Hartke and other more expensive brands, and that does not seem fair in my eyes.
The Behringer is targeted (intentionally or not, I don't know) at the entry level musician, and therefore they do play the low price/loads of features card, which typically seem to attract beginners which is fine. Not everyone has the money to afford an Ampeg, EBS or GK rack as their first amplifier.
I've been happy with my Behringer in the period I did use it, but thats over now, like my teen period obsessed with Metallica-jam bands.
I would definitely recommend beginners to buy Behringer amps, as they do offer a lot of features for the buck, and the sound quality is not that bad at all.

Of other Behringer equipment I've owned/do own, I can mention the Bass V-Amp Pro, mostly a toy for me, never used it seriously. I also owned the Bass Equalizer pedal and the Bass Chorus pedal, both which did their job decently.
Also, the band I play in now used some Behringer gear in the beginning. We had a Behringer power mixer, through which we put both bass, guitar, keys and multiple vocals. Though the mixer was driven into severe clipping and the sound was directly aweful, the board never failed on us. Keep in mind that I did play bass through it (back then it was my secondary band, so my bass rig was in my primary bands practice room, until I left that, and the secondary band became much more serious and professional)

Whoa, that was a whole lot of crap, doubt if anyone even want to read all that. Anyways, I am ill and stayed at home from work today, so I had nothing else to do.
 
Like many other bass players, I don't own just "one" bass, or just "one" amp. I am lucky enough to have a few options available to me and the cash to buy or seriously consider them. I've been playing 20+ years and am not a kid on a budget or a newbie.

Despite all the negative Behringer press (mostly about "powered" amplifier products) I decided to take a chance on the Behringer Bass VAMP-Pro and I've got to say that I've been impressed with it for the past year. So much so that it earned the top 2 rack spaces in my current gig rig.

I would never trust any product or manufacturer 100%, but I have to give credit when credit is due, and carry backup gear just the same, because you just never know.

If you are interested, you can read all about my success with the V-AMP here:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=687422

Cheers!
 
@ronned2tm That's a lot of info. I really appreciate it. I am trying to digest all of this to become a more informed bass player and of course, buyer. To be honest, I hope not to have to buy any more gear for quite some time.
@ Charlie Can't bring myself to sell my Hartke 2500. I love the amp and tone, it just wasn't ENOUGH. I am keeping it as a backup, along with my 410 that I was using with it. (my living room looks sorta industrial now)

As for the first show.. I made stoopid bass player mistake #1. I was too loud. :( I think i was so happy to have my new rig that I just lost my mind...... I won't let that happen again (though secretly.. I am happy that I now have the ability to be too loud!)