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Any cheap, worthwhile monitors?

I was just thinking today, we're doing alot of recording over the christmas new years period, and are doing computer recording (Cubase LE, through a presonus Firepod), and i was wondering if there are any recommended cheap monitors?

Right now ive only got my creative PC speakers, and while they are good, i dont know if they are totally uncoloured and really suitable as monitors :confused:

Should i stick with what ive got or look into studio monitors?

Cheers guys

-Will
 
Define cheap. Look at products from Tannoy, KRK, even the Behringer Truths aren't bad (but not great) for the money. I just bought a pair of KRK V8's for $500 on eBay and they sound great. Do you need a powered speaker or do you have an extra power amp laying around that you can use?
 
+1 for the Behringer Truths. I've used the small B2030A for a few years, and you can definitely get some work done with them.
I guess the most important thing about using monitors is getting used to the sound: listen to CDs that are recorded well and not so well to get a reference.
Long listening sessions can get tiring on all cheap monitors...
 
Cheap is very hard to do with monitors. I know it comes down to what you've got to spend but remember that every single mix decision you make will be based on what your monitors tell you. Which makes them pretty important. It may be worth just waiting and keeping an eye out for something affordable used. That said a friend of mine has some KRK Rokit 6s that he's happy with. I've got a set of hs50m's without the sub on my pc and they're not bad, worth a listen. I don't know if you could go cheaper and get a worthwhile improvement on what you already have. Maybe but it might be better to save until you can get what you really want.

It can be useful to pick up a good set of headphones so that you get another perspective on your mix. Also play your mixes everywhere, in your car on your ipod etc to see how well they translate to different environments. Oh and definitely try out monitors before you buy, we all hear things differently. And remember that you don't necessarily want them to sound 'nice', you want them to tell you what's going on in your mix.
 
el_Kabong said:
It can be useful to pick up a good set of headphones so that you get another perspective on your mix. Also play your mixes everywhere, in your car on your ipod etc to see how well they translate to different environments. Oh and definitely try out monitors before you buy, we all hear things differently. And remember that you don't necessarily want them to sound 'nice', you want them to tell you what's going on in your mix.

+1

Depending on how cheap you mean, getting a decent set of studio headphones may be the ticket here.

Also, good advice on listening to tracks in different environments. Ive had tracks that my band has recorded that sound great on headphones and the monitors, but when played in the car or home, there was waaay too much low end on the bass track. Youre going to use a lot of cds finding the correct eq settings, but it pays off in the end.
 
Dave said:
+1

Depending on how cheap you mean, getting a decent set of studio headphones may be the ticket here.

Also, good advice on listening to tracks in different environments. Ive had tracks that my band has recorded that sound great on headphones and the monitors, but when played in the car or home, there was waaay too much low end on the bass track. Youre going to use a lot of cds finding the correct eq settings, but it pays off in the end.
I think headphones may be the way, ive looked at the behringer truths and the KRK Rokits, and they really are about the peak of how much i could spend at this moment in time.

So, change of subject, good studio headphones ? :smug:
 
Another nod here for the dreaded Behringers being a pretty good bang for the buck. I've mixed 5 CDs on 'em, and when I take them to mastering we've had to nothing drastic or heroic. Sure I'd like some Genelecs, but the budget being what it is...

I use Sony headphones too - V600s. You need to check everything in both environments.
 
el_Kabong said:
And remember that you don't necessarily want them to sound 'nice', you want them to tell you what's going on in your mix.
+100, that's what studio monitors are for. Hifi speakers are designed to colour the sound, to make listening more pleasant, monitors are designed to let you analyse what's going on in the mix.

Listening to your mixes on different speakers (computer, car, headphones) is really important, but do not use headphones for mixing - headphone mixes really don't translate well to other speakers..
 
stratology said:
, but do not use headphones for mixing - headphone mixes really don't translate well to other speakers..

I would say: Don't exclusively use headphones for mixing. I use them all the time when doing specific tasks in my mixes, i.e., noise reduction or the application of extremely subtle effects. But you should never use headphones as your primary listening devices when doing mixes.
 
a headphone vs monitor article i found. i boldfaced some strong key points.

This subject has done the rounds for years.

Often it is the cash strapped home studio owner who has to resort to using headphones, the cheaper and space saving solution, instead of speakers to conduct mixing projects.

There are obvious advantages for using headphones for mixing, but glaring disadvantages too.

There are no winners here on either side of the fence. Quite simply, if you want to be fully armed to conduct the best mixes, then a combination of both is essential.

Good quality headphones can reveal details that some good speakers/monitors omit. In terms of sound design, a good headphone is imperative as it will be unforgiving in revealing anomalies. In terms of maintaining a clean and noise free signal path, it is crucial.

On the flip side, stereo imaging and panning information is much harder to judge on headphones. Determining the spatial feel of a mix is almost impossible to convey on headphones, but simple with speakers. Pans are pronounced and extreme on headphones and do not translate across well when used with speakers. Even EQ can come across as subdued or extreme.

I find that if I mix on headphones alone, then the mix never travels well when auditioned with monitors. The reverse is also true.

When using monitors and because the monitors are placed in front of us, our natural hearing perceives the soundstage as directly in front of us. With headphones, because the 'speakers' are on either side of us, there's no real front-to-back information.

Headphones also provide a very high degree of separation between the left and right channels, which produces an artificially detailed stereo image.

Our brains and ears receive and analyse/process sound completely differently when using headphones as opposed to monitors. When using headphones, each ear will only hear the audio carried on the relevant channel, but when listening to a pair of speakers in a room both ears will hear the signals produced by both the left and right loudspeakers. The timing differences associated with this acoustic 'crosstalk' between the two channels and each ear lie at the core of the 'stereo illusion'.

You also need to factor in the fact that different people perceive different amounts of bass - factors such as the distance between the headphone diaphragm and the listener's ear will change the level of bass. The way in which the headphone cushion seals around the ear also play a part, which is why pushing the phones closer to your ears produces a noticeable increase in bass. This increases the bass energy and this alone negates the idea of having correct tonal balance in the mix being auditioned.

With monitors both ears hear both the left and right channels.

When listening to ordinary stereo material via headphones, we have only the differences in level between the two channels to go on, and hence the stereo images become non-linear and ill-defined. In fact, most people perceive the individual sound sources to lie on a line running directly through the centre of the head, instead of being portrayed in front of us as they would be with loudspeakers. This radically different presentation is what makes judging stereo signals and panning mono ones so much more difficult on headphones.

If your room is acoustically problematic and you have poor monitors, then headphones may well be a better and more reliable approach. But it is a lot harder in to achieve the same kind of quality and transferability that comes more naturally on good monitors in a good acoustically treated room.

I find that if I record and check all my signals with headphones, then I am in a strong position to hear any anomalies and be in a better position to judge clarity and integrity of the recorded signals. This, coupled with speaker monitoring, assures me of the best of both worlds; clarity and integrity married with spatial imaging.
 
Cheers guys.

What i think im going to do is, get a pair of headphones, studio isolation ones, not overly expensive, ive seen a few pairs around the £30-£40 mark that should do fine.

Then when im happy with how its sounding through them, compare it to my PC speakers and 2 different sets of stereo speakers i have aswell as on my dads rather nice denons. And note down anything that could do with changing. Im also going to use a set of stereo speakers for the panning, because it does make sense what you guys posted about the headphones not being too good for panning :)

I know it really seems like a cheap way out, but im buying a few other things and am on quite a tight budget!

Cheers chaps :D

Will be getting other recording bits n bobs later this week and recording in a week or so, so should have some finished stuff ready before christmas :)