That's why I'm not a fan of Elon Musk. I don't trust anyone whose goal is social engineering.
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Anybody own a Tesla?
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That's why I'm not a fan of Elon Musk. I don't trust anyone whose goal is social engineering.
And I don't trust anyone whose goal isn't.
I'll make decisions about I live me life, thank you very much.
One of my business associates got an early S model, and got the free supercharging. He regularly spent about $800.00 or more a month on gas running between his three offices, and visiting clients.
He got the State rebate. He got the Federal rebate. His insurance went down (safe car).
He wasn't paying for gas. He wasn't going through brakes (regenerative braking). He changes tyres, and windshield washer fluid, and wipers. If anything goes wrong Tesla turns up with a loaner Tesla S, and takes his for servicing. He's never off the road.
He claims it's the cheapest car he's ever owned.
The monthly payment for the car was similar to his gas bill, so it was like a free car for him.
I've driven it. It's got unbelievable acceleration. The cornering is flawless. All the weight is underneath the car, so it's very stable. The braking is wonderful. It's fast. It's responsive.
Everything a sports sedan should be.
It's a great looking car to boot.
Unfortunately, beyond my budget and not practical for me due to the nature of my driving habits in my job, so not the car for me.
My favourite thing, though, was the little 'AA-battery' icon on the display that showed battery life. Just like an iPad/iPhone.
He got the State rebate. He got the Federal rebate. His insurance went down (safe car).
He wasn't paying for gas. He wasn't going through brakes (regenerative braking). He changes tyres, and windshield washer fluid, and wipers. If anything goes wrong Tesla turns up with a loaner Tesla S, and takes his for servicing. He's never off the road.
He claims it's the cheapest car he's ever owned.
The monthly payment for the car was similar to his gas bill, so it was like a free car for him.
I've driven it. It's got unbelievable acceleration. The cornering is flawless. All the weight is underneath the car, so it's very stable. The braking is wonderful. It's fast. It's responsive.
Everything a sports sedan should be.
It's a great looking car to boot.
Unfortunately, beyond my budget and not practical for me due to the nature of my driving habits in my job, so not the car for me.
My favourite thing, though, was the little 'AA-battery' icon on the display that showed battery life. Just like an iPad/iPhone.
Also, a lot of people do not realize that one of Tesla's goals is mainly to build batteries in their Mega Battery factories and sale them to other car manufactures.
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Definitely a gamble. But "sedans" are in decline. Everyone wants crossovers, SUVs, and trucks. I think this is a smart move by Ford.
That's true. I just think about what they did to the Mustang brand in 80s. I go to a lot of car shows and I rarely see anyone collecting Fox bodies.
Funny. As a former Fusion owner, I was thinking it looks just like a Fusion with the grille area filled in. Maybe it just looks like a car.
The original Tesla, less than 2500 built, was mainly a proof of concept car. It is a hoot to drive and has 0-60 performance at 3.7 seconds. That said, it did its job well and Tesla followed it up with the very successful model S Luxury sedan. Here is Tesla Serial Number 466.
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Regardless of Elon Musk as a "personality", he's been a very successful disruptor to the car business. When everyone was arguing over coming up with a standardized EV charger design, Musk basically said "Buhbye, I'm not waiting years for you guys to decide on that". And chargers are still not universal. The J1772 CCS is most popular, along with Tesla's proprietary design. Then there's Nissan's CHAdeMO which they stubbornly cling to for the LEAF.
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Electrify America is building out a huge EV charging network. Much of the money came from the VW diesel cheating settlement. They're doing major interstate highways first, then they'll start doing state highways.
Home | Electrify America
PlugShare is a great resource for locating chargers, regardless of type.
PlugShare - Find Electric Vehicle Charging Locations Near You
Home | Electrify America
PlugShare is a great resource for locating chargers, regardless of type.
PlugShare - Find Electric Vehicle Charging Locations Near You
That is what I like about Elon. He is a disruptor, has given the middle finger to Wall Street and the car industry. Also, he has rocked the boat in the Aerospace sector by launching satellites at a fraction
of the cost of others. He even pissed NASA off smoking a joint on a recorded interview. What's not to like about that.
That is what I like about Elon. He is a disruptor, has given the middle finger to Wall Street and the car industry. Also, he has rocked the boat in the Aerospace sector by launching satellites at a fraction
of the cost of others. He even pissed NASA off smoking a joint on a recorded interview. What's not to like about that.
If by "give the finger to Wall Street" you mean SEC violations and failing to run a profitable company, then yep.
That is what I like about Elon. He is a disruptor, has given the middle finger to Wall Street and the car industry. Also, he has rocked the boat in the Aerospace sector by launching satellites at a fraction
of the cost of others. He even pissed NASA off smoking a joint on a recorded interview. What's not to like about that.
I live in a city where the overwhelming majority of people have on-street parking. Even if you rent a parking space for $200-$250/mo, there are no electric outlets. There are a few charging stations here in Denver but not a lot and they aren't located in neighborhoods. If this whole disruption actually happened, how are you going to charge a million cars a day here? Are they going to put charging stations on every street at 10 foot intervals?
Look, if you live in the suburbs and have a private garage, great! Get one. It fits your life. More power to you. But in my life and the lives of everyone around me, they're completely impractical. I just don't see this disruption being a real thing.
I think the disruption is going to happen when they combine electric cars with autonomous vehicles. Then people will stop owning cars and we'll move to a car share system. Detroit is already making plans for this.
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How well does the heat / defrost fare in Teslii, compared to i.c.e. that we are accustomed to? Similarly, the a/c on a hot day?
By the by, anyone see the Audi AI concept? It makes me feel gooey and squishy
By the by, anyone see the Audi AI concept? It makes me feel gooey and squishy
Like most large Silicon Valley start up companies, it takes them awhile to turn a profit. Tesla is now making money which has put their stock soaring. And yes, I do mean Elon is a disruptor and does not always play by Wall Streets rules. That said, Wall Street has been anti-Elon from the very beginning of the Tesla start up.
Tesla made a profit of $143 million in Q3 2019 on record deliveries
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F**d diluted that name in 1974 with the Mustang II.
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I can't speak to Tesla specifically. But all new cars have to meet federal rules for how well the defroster works. In an EV, you get heat or cooling instantly. No need to warm up an engine to get heat. Heat is either resistive (electric), or a combination of resistive heating and a heat pump. The heat pump can both heat and cool.
My e-Golf had the heat pump option. It had absolutely no problem making heat or A/C. In fact the A/C seemed to work better than any other car I've owned. It also had a de-icer embedded in the windshield. This covered the entire windshield, not just around the wipers. Features like these are what made the e-Golf a big hit in Norway.
Of course there's no free energy lunch. Using heat or A/C will impact the vehicle's range. In the e-Golf, the highest numbered heat setting was 78. Above that was just "High". Changing the temp from 78 to High would cause an immediate drop of about 30%-40% in predicted range.
Another great thing about EVs is you can use a remote app to precondition the heating or cooling before you get in the car, even if the vehicle is parked in an enclosed garage.
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hahaha You are Sooo chebby. Died in the Wool.
I have actually owned three mustangs including a silver 1975 Mustang II Ghia with the anemic 302 and red velouuuuuuuur interior! I actually liked it rather well even though it was NOT a fast car and it did NOT handle well in anything except dry conditions
Part of it's charm! It was my most consistent track car at Sac Speedway though. It would run 14.80's all day. Hot lap? 14.8. Just got there? 14.8. Mash the go pedal and as long as I cut a good light I was likely going to beat all but the best sand baggers in bracket racing.
It was my least favorite Mustang
So a question for the electric guys.
What's going to happen with all those batteries when they reach their use life? Not a single portion of them is recyclable as far as I know. Doesn't that put a damper on the entire "green" thing ultimately?
I am genuinely curious and admittedly ignorant.
hahaha You are Sooo chebby. Died in the Wool.
I have actually owned three mustangs including a silver 1975 Mustang II Ghia with the anemic 302 and red velouuuuuuuur interior! I actually liked it rather well even though it was NOT a fast car and it did NOT handle well in anything except dry conditions
It was my most consistent track car at Sac Speedway though. It would run 14.80's all day. Hot lap? 14.8. Just got there? 14.8. Mash the go pedal and as long as I cut a good light I was likely going to beat all but the best sand baggers in bracket racing.
It was my least favorite Mustang
So a question for the electric guys.
What's going to happen with all those batteries when they reach their use life? Not a single portion of them is recyclable as far as I know. Doesn't that put a damper on the entire "green" thing ultimately?
I am genuinely curious and admittedly ignorant.
Here you go.
Tesla launches battery recycling at Nevada Gigafactory
BTW, I am by no means considered a tree hugger as my 470 hp daily driver gets only 15mpg when driving in the city. That said, I do believe that EV's are the way of the future. I am thinking by 2030, at least 50% or more of new car sales will be EV's. They are not for everybody, especially in rural areas. But we will see the supporting electric charging infrastructure increase and battery technology improve at a rapid pace over the coming years. Here in L.A., there are charging stations everywhere.
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