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Anyone else not like The Beatles?

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Jay Corwin said:
I don't care about the Beatles. However that doesn't mean I don't think they had some good songs, or that I don't appreciate their impact on popular music. You hear their influence everywhere in popular music. Paul McCartney still sounds great without the other three, and I enjoy watching his concerts on the intertubes.

The part I scoff at is the idea that they, or really any rock musician is a genius. Rock music is the most popular music is this country, and the Beatles are arguably the biggest influence on that music - so the majority of specific generations put them on a pedestal. They wrote some great pop songs, but it ain't exactly Duke Ellington ya' know. Sitting on a cornflake......not really brilliant unless maybe you are fried on drugs or something.

I appreciate the influence they've had though. There is something to be said about inspiring so many to go out to try and write their own music.
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Rock is not the most popular music, these days its basically disco 4 on the floor, even if its country or hip-hop tinged the beat is disco. With the occasional funk.

I don't understand why you scoff at "genius" being applied to rock, or any other art form, but allow the term for jazz. I might scoff at the word being overused, and self-applied, but it can apply to anyone doing anything at a groundbreaking level.

"Sitting on a cornflake" is an example of Lennon's genius, which I think was his lyrical ability -
"Crab a locker fish wife, pornographic priestess, boy you've been a naughty girl, you let you knickers down" is brilliant writing, but then, I've done hella drugs. I'm on 3 cups of dark roast right now...

Jah Wobble Fan said:
I agree with you. Humans tend to overvalue the time in which they live, and all that goes with it (including its art and culture); saying the Beatles will be remembered "as Schubert" (which itself has been a truism since about 1965) don't necessarily make it so in the future.

As for the waning of the fan base, this fact was illustrated to me starkly on recent occasion, when my father went into assisted living, and the after-lunch
concert for doddering, nodding and muttering patients came replete with Beatles medley. The singalong for "Yellow Submarine" was the one moment the patients sort of "came present."

That song, it just finds different ways to torture me.
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Paul is at his most evilly insidious when doing Broadway and Tin Pan Alley throwbacks. John and George's quotes on recording "I Will" are ...precious.

I think Schubert wrote some 600 lieder, I sang a bunch of it as a vocal major. If English remains a dominant language, the Lennon/McCartney songs may well hold up as well or longer. But Schubert - talk about genius, evocative songwriting. I wonder if he was an influence on Orbison's stuff.

But then, everything old does become new again. Swing dance, ukelele clubs - if these trends go chronologically, eventually Cavern style rock will be re-discovered. Hey, maybe this is our chance to get ahead of the curve, even if its only a ripple...
 
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#143
I go in waves. I like the Beatles a lot and there are time I LOVE them and can't have enough. Love McCartney's bass playing and his role for the instrument but but by himself... Can't really get into it even if I try hard (same with Ringo) I love Lennon by himself as well as Harrison.
 
#144
Mystic Michael said:
I couldn't swear to it, no. It sure sounds like a Lennon song.

MM
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OP here. I love Rick's and Rick players and I hear a lot of Rick enthusists praise Paul's tone. I'm sure it's great, but I just can't seem to listen long enough to find out. Maybe I need to search for isolated tracks...LOL!
 
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bearfoot said:
Rock is not the most popular music, these days its basically disco 4 on the floor, even if its country or hip-hop tinged the beat is disco. With the occasional funk.

I don't understand why you scoff at "genius" being applied to rock, or any other art form, but allow the term for jazz. I might scoff at the word being overused, and self-applied, but it can apply to anyone doing anything at a groundbreaking level.

"Sitting on a cornflake" is an example of Lennon's genius, which I think was his lyrical ability -
"Crab a locker fish wife, pornographic priestess, boy you've been a naughty girl, you let you knickers down" is brilliant writing, but then, I've done hella drugs. I'm on 3 cups of dark roast right now...
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It's all subjective to the listener really, and this is why I rarely jump into these discussions. There's always a fan boy who can't look at things objectively and respect an opinion like mine, which by the way was quite respectful to the Beatles impact. It wasn't as if I said, hey these guys sucked! I'll leave those comments to the Keith Richards of the world.

One of the worst things people do in these types of threads is try to convince someone like me why their cup of tea should be my cup of tea too. Well, I don't think "sitting on a corn flake" is genius, nor do I limit my opinion of genius to jazz musicians. I simply listed one example for comparison, and you made the jump.

Not everyone finds John Lennon's writing compelling or influential. I would be one of those people. But like I said, I appreciate the impact they've had on popular music.
 
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Jay Corwin said:
It's all subjective to the listener really, and this is why I rarely jump into these discussions.
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You're right, it's a fools mission to participate in such threads when you're not a fan, because all you get for the effort is a lot of gaff.
But I for one appreciate your taking the time. And even though I am a Beatles fan, I am much more interested in reading why someone hates them for the simple reason that provocation is more interesting than adulation.
 
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Jah Wobble Fan said:
You're right, it's a fools mission to participate in such threads when you're not a fan, because all you get for the effort is a lot of gaff.
But I for one appreciate your taking the time. And even though I am a Beatles fan, I am much more interested in reading why someone hates them for the simple reason that provocation is more interesting than adulation.
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The title of the thread is:
Anyone else not like The Beatles?

Hence my participation. I'm not here to try and win the internet though like others.
 
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Favorite band of all time and Im 17 will always love them biggest inspiration and also if you judge by the radio thats not good they in my opinion play the worst beatle songs on the radio Im mean the worst Im tbe biggest beatle fan and I hate come together and let it be and get but other than those songs every one is gold
 
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Jay Corwin said:
It's all subjective to the listener really, and this is why I rarely jump into these discussions. There's always a fan boy who can't look at things objectively and respect an opinion like mine, which by the way was quite respectful to the Beatles impact. It wasn't as if I said, hey these guys sucked! I'll leave those comments to the Keith Richards of the world.

One of the worst things people do in these types of threads is try to convince someone like me why their cup of tea should be my cup of tea too. Well, I don't think "sitting on a corn flake" is genius, nor do I limit my opinion of genius to jazz musicians. I simply listed one example for comparison, and you made the jump.

Not everyone finds John Lennon's writing compelling or influential. I would be one of those people. But like I said, I appreciate the impact they've had on popular music.
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That's all fine by me, but I didn't make a jump, you said "really any rock musician".
Out of curiosity, who do you consider the best lyricists to be?

Mystic Michael said:
I couldn't swear to it, no. It sure sounds like a Lennon song.

MM
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With any Beatle tune, whoever sings lead is the primary writer, with the only exceptions I know of being songs Ringo sings lead on. Helter Skelter is totally Paul, after being accused of being not hard-rocking enough. I'd say he made his point.
 
#156
I respect their song writing prowess and their place in history. But I came up listening to the pre-punk and ska bands of the 70s and never got into the Beatles or the Dead. I even turned down an opportunity to play in one of the best Beatles tribute bands in the area. Just can't listen to them much. But more than the Dead. Hate the Dead.
 
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Obviously this is a topic that stirs passions. I grew up with the Beatles when they were together, and I thought they were gods. Everything they did seemed to be golden, and they continuously evolved -- for the better! I was shattered (along with many others) when they broke up. I couldn't imagine a world without the Beatles.
I still love most of their music today. Looking at them through the lens of (somewhat advanced) adulthood, I'm not the starry eyed fanboy I once was, and I understand that people's tastes differ. I have a hard time, though, understanding how any music lover can't find something to love about the Beatles, given the depth and breadth of their achievement. Just my opinion.
 
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DwaynieAD said:
I can say ive honestly never heard a Beatles song
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You may never have intentionally listened to the Beatles, but you've absolutely heard many of their songs. You would have literally never turned on a radio, seen more than a handful of movies, watched TV, or even gone out in public and not heard the Beatles.

Somethings are simply impossible. Not ever hearing what is likely the most popular band in the world ever is one of them.

And again, I'm a Beatles hater. Even I acknowledge the utter dominance they hold.
 
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