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Anyone heard a headless with any dead spots?

I own 15 basses (the last one, Status Buzzard 1 is not yet on the pic).


None of these basses have dead spots, even the cheaper ones - except the first one on the left, my Fender P Mike Dirnt, that has the dead spots on all classic positions, plus on the E string, from G to A, and this is really annoying. None of my two headless basses, Status Kingbass and Status S3 have any dead or even weak spots.
I set up all my basses myself with very low action. Strings for all are D'Addario XL nickel rounds, except for the two headless ones - Status Hotwires steel
strings. At one moment my Fender Jazz (MIA) had the classic dead spots, then I put on new strings, taking care that they weren't twisted - the
dead spots disappeared!

It sounds like your Mike Dirnt needs a fret level.

Lighter gauge, or newer, strings make dead spots harder to hear. I've had more than one instrument have a more pronounced dead spot become apparent as strings have broken in. I use 50-110 strings, so maybe its more obvious on my end.

For what its worth, none of my basses (I have 6 Fender style basses) have noticeable dead spots. There is an old trick with instruments where you rest the tip of the headstock against the wall and play. If the deadspot gets noticeably better, add more mass on that end. If it gets worse, add mass on the other end. My Fender CS P-bass ended up getting a brass hipshot bridge and its now "deadspot free."
 
I owned a Steinberger L2 fretless that had a dead spot somewhere around the 12th fret area...forget exactly where and the bass has been gone for about 15 years.

My fretted L2, fretted XM and my NSD Radius have no dead spots that I've noticed. I haven't played my daughter's metal neck Kramer Duke for some time but don't recall dead spots.
 
I play the Hohner as well. Again, I haven't noticed dead spots and I was all over the neck last Saturday night.

Mind you all reading this thread, that Hohner is a wooden headless, with no bolt on neck. It is set. Or rather, they've just taken a "neck through" and put a little paddle around it instead of being the same dimension as the neck, as it is on neck through basses. And done the lathing to suit all curves in "neck joint" an so on.
 
Years ago, I had a Westone Thunder headless bass. The whole bass was one big dead spot. A totally lifeless and toneless piece of ***p.

See there, but then it was equal along the whole neck, and the whole bass. It was at least even along all strings, across the fretboard.;) Still no dead spots, since the lot of the bass was a serious dud. It was actually equally balanced then. Regardless of how crappy it sounded.

...but that's a lined fretless and it's hard to find a dead spot on a fretless.
Maybe because it's lined? ;) I've heard dead spots on a fretless (still not headless) and when starting a glissando on a spot that is not dead and glide it through and past the dead spot, the rest of the notes past the dead spots "disappears" as well, or sounding dead. A big no no. Fretless with dead spots (any) are a little more PIA than on fretted ones.

I find that headless basses suffer with dead spots less than big head stock (4 in a line) basses. But every bass has a dead spot somewhere and I think headless designs push the dead spot up the fret board more, so it's less of an issue for some.
That's what my intent was with this thread. Especially compared to Fender ones, big headstock, 4 in a line... so we have one more that agrees with me, but I wanted to ask those who had a headless with deadspots at the same place as Fender ones. 5-6-7 fret on the g-string, and some on other strings too, regardless of which position or string you play these frequencies in.

Headless basses have none of this stuff and the tuners are down passed the bridge.
For me, the most obvious difference in tone between headed and headless basses is that the headless tends to sound more punchy and with more attack. We often talk about the sonic differences between all through and bolt on designs, but I think that a headless design is a similar consideration.

Yes, of course. That's what people misses out on on headless. I've found out that - on headless guitars - the strings pops out and oscillates more, very reminiscent of a regular headstocked guitar with a locking nut system. Some kind of rubber band feel, actually. The strings stops at one point, just as on a headless, half a centimer behind the zero fret. No extra tension there. And same behind the bridge saddle. Not even an inch before the ball end comes. However, if these punch and more attack is something to everybodys liking is just up to personal taste.

A funny conclusion or "selective deduction" could be made with that statement on Status FAQ: "Graphite necks tends to have less pronounced dead spots" PLUS the added notion of "Headless necks tends to have less pronounced dead spots" = You have hedged your bets as much as you can, thinking that both these things put on top of each other, and mixed, should eliminate dead spots entirely. IRL it's not that easy.

You do move them up the neck, to where it's no problem, above 12th or 14th fret, and if present there anyway, they're still not as pronounced.

My friends Klein replica, with a Moses graphite headless neck had a very slight weak or dead spot in the 13 th fret D-string. The Eb. When stuck to any wall, which is easier on a headless bass it disappeared. Now, he sent it in for plekking and it came back with that Eb dead spot totally removed. It's very very picky - too - on and how the strings resides on the top of each fret. The less point, there's less fundamental, no firm and fat spot to reside on. The "witness point" as it is called in some circles.
 
Of course not. I just wanted those who actually owns a headless do a comparison of dead spots to Fender ones, especially. Dead spots. While I don't think ever anyone buys any headless just because it has no dead spots, or reduce risk of it, I thought it would be interesting. There may be a lot here on TB who doesn't own any headless anymore, but when they where around, and they owned one, if they had any dead spots as severe as those of Fenders. Me too, has detected some not so severe deadspots up the neck, past 12th fret, and for some reason, I don't care as much about them up there as if they were apparent and blatant in the "-money-" range. 5th or 6th 7th fret. Actually within the first 12 frets.

Interesting thread, though. I do very well know that other factors, strings, fret crowning/polishing can wreak havoc. A number of basses has their dead spots removed by just "PLEKKING" the instrument, when all fret wires are shaped into the uptenth decimal. As well as changing out to new strings. As for the number of basses I've repaired and owned throughout the years, I find headless basses, regardless of scale or wood, and price, had the least dead spots of them all, without any prior design alteration to buck them, i e fatheads (how now that is possible on a headless....;)) or whatever method used to buck dead spots.

Anyone had a Hohner one?


Very informative thread. Therefore, a response to the Hohner headless basses, albeit late. Had one from about mid 80's and one from about mid 90's. Both through neck with the shape of the Steinberger XL basses. Both of these basses were the most lifeless I have ever played. Both basses had no deadspots to my recollection. However, both basses were so dead that they consisted of one big deadspot, so to speak. This is what I imagine a black hole to be like. All the notes are drawn in and nothing comes back. Am now unfortunately not sure if I could answer the question with that.
 
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