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Apparent Serial Killer in Flint

#21
Rune Bivrin said:
^That's some seriously morbid knowledge...
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Although I will admit to reading and having an interest in serial killers (although an aversion to slasher type movies such as the SAW series) it only takes an inquisitive mind to find such information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country

Serial Killers have some sort of pathology that revolves around hatred,...be that of members of the opposite sex,...other races and religions, homosexuals or their own self loathing (a lot of times because the killer is he or herself a homosexual). I would not be at all surprised if the killer in Flint cops to racial motivations for his crimes; once he's caught.

That said I still find the flip flop "...if it were a black man..." comment in the linked article to be somewhat inflammatory and simply untrue. Sure there are instances of racial bias and prejudice in the media (all the more reason why I don't pay much attention to the media) but this particular comment seems tacked on for dramatic effect.

EDIT: I agree with Mike in that at any one time there are numerous active serial killers, possibly hundreds (actual stats are hard to come by which is why I'm hesitant to go there) but with the exception of Robert Lee Yates here and the DC Sniper and currently the killer in Flint,...I've not been made aware via mainstream media of any current serial killer activity.
 
#23
makes perfect sense to me - this killer hasn't received national acclaim because he doesn't have a fancy moniker like "son of sam" or he's not dressed like a clown, or the killings aren't gruesome enough. once they get a moniker it's all over. on another note, in general, my theory is that serial killings don't happen as often as they used to because of the highly evolved DNA evidence investigation tactics. more common has been the "blow your wad in one shot then blow yourself away" surburban family slayings and disgruntled workers.
Ebodious - I live fairly close to dorothea puente's old house. I would have totally bought it if it was on the market when I was ready to buy (and dug around for more skulls too). :) yeah I'm sick, I know
 
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Dr. Cheese said:
I agree with you. Serial killers are more common than most realize, and they are usually under the radar because what they do does not follow any rational pattern.
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also.. this is happening in flint. If this were say greenwich, CT that would be a different matter. I remember living in San Jose, and they'd report stabbings in Oakland in the same breath as a notification that the post office would be closed on wednesday. :hmm:
 
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EBodious said:
if all the victims are old black men, i think its hard to argue that there is no racial element to the story.
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Not necessarily.

While I agree there likely is a racial component - given the racial/age demographics of the area in question, it may just be a "victim of opportunity" thing.


Like sometimes serial killers kill prostitutes for various psychological reasons, and sometime they kill prostitutes just because they're easy targets.
 
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aborgman said:
Not necessarily.

While I agree there likely is a racial component - given the racial/age demographics of the area in question, it may just be a "victim of opportunity" thing.


Like sometimes serial killers kill prostitutes for various psychological reasons, and sometime they kill prostitutes just because they're easy targets.
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I suspect that the racial element is tough to prove at this time. It's not like he's leaving racial messages , etc. One of his attacks was a white male, and if you look at the demographics of Flint, and the fact that he prays on men who are alone, the fact that he attacked one white male and (I believe) 11 black males is not out of line. I'm sure that the population on the streets alone males in many neighborhoods of Flint is about 11 to 1 black men verses white men. African Americans have higher unemployment and Flint has real high unemployment. The unemployment rate for black males in Flint is 25.3%.

http://www.city-data.com/housing/houses-Flint-Michigan.html
 
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warwick.hoy said:
While I can agree with the last part of this quote I find the bold text to be a little sensationalized. There are a lot of serial killers that probably only go noticed in local and regional media but probably never made it to the "top of the news cycle" until they were caught.

I culled this list from a wiki article.

* Charles Albright: AKA "The Eyeball Killer"; convicted of murdering three prostitutes in Dallas, Texas; sentenced to life imprisonment in 1991
* Rodney James Alcala: AKA "the Dating Game Killer"; convicted rapist and serial killer
* Amy Archer-Gilligan: poisoned a husband and four of her nursing home's residents with arsenic or strychnine in Windsor, Connecticut in the 1910s
* Joe Ball: AKA "The Alligator Man"; killed at least 20 women in the early 20th century in Texas
* Herb Baumeister: suspected of killing 20+ men along I-70; fled and committed suicide after remains of 11 were found on his Westfield, Indiana property
* Bloody Benders: family who killed guests at their inn in Labette County, Kansas in 1872
* Robert Berdella: convicted of killing six men in 1988 in Kansas City, Missouri; sexually tortured and dismembered his victims
* David Berkowitz: AKA "Son of Sam" and "The .44 Caliber Killer"; convicted of six murders in New York
* Kenneth Bianchi and Angelo Buono Jr: AKA the "Hillside Strangler"; killers of 13 women and possibly involved in three other killings
* Richard Biegenwald: convicted of killing five people in the early 1980s in the Asbury Park, New Jersey area; suspected in at least six other murders
* Arthur Gary Bishop: Utah man who murdered five young boys; executed in 1988
* Lawrence Bittaker and Roy Norris: kidnapped, tortured, raped and murdered five girls in 1979
* Terry Blair: Kansas City serial killer and rapist; active 1982–2004
* William Bonin: AKA "The Freeway Killer"; with several accomplices, claimed the lives of 20 boys in California
* Briley Brothers: three brothers and an accomplice responsible for 11 murders in the 1970s in Richmond, Virginia
* Jerry Brudos: AKA "The Lust Killer" and "Shoe Fetish Slayer"; killed at least five women in Oregon
* Ted Bundy: law student who raped and murdered more than 35 women in six states; executed in Florida State Prison on January 24, 1989
* Harvey Carignan: AKA the "Want-Ad Killer"; raped and beat four young women to death in 1972 and 1973 having escaped hanging for a 1949 killing on a technicality
* David Carpenter: AKA the "Trailside Killer"; murdered five women on San Francisco-area hiking trails between 1979 and 1981
* Michael Bear Carson and Suzan Carson: nomadic hippie killers involved in the counter-culture movement; suspects in 12 homicides; sentenced to life imprisonment for three San Francisco Bay Area murders in 1983
* Dean Carter: murdered at least four women
* Richard Chase: AKA "The Vampire of Sacramento"; murdered six people in California the 1970s
* Doug Clark: AKA "Sunset Strip Killer"; killed at least seven people during 1980
* Carroll Cole: killed 16 people between 1948 and 1980; executed in 1985
* Alton Coleman: multi-state killer whose killings took place during two months in 1984; convicted of murder in three states
* John Norman Collins: committed in Ypsilanti and Ann Arbor between 1967 and 1969
* Ray and Faye Copeland: oldest couple ever sentenced to death in the United States at the ages of 75 and 69; convicted of killing five men; modus operandi was to hire unskilled drifters as farm hands and later kill them
* Dean Corll and Elmer Wayne Henley: committed the Houston Mass Murders in the 1970s
* Juan Corona: California killer convicted of murdering 25 men in 1971
* Richard Cottingham: AKA the "Torso Killer"; convicted of murdering five women in hotels around New York City between 1977 and 1980
* Andre Crawford a convicted serial killer, who killed 11 women between 1993 to 1997
* Charles Cullen: nurse in New Jersey and Pennsylvania who killed as many as 40 patients through lethal injection
* Jeffrey Dahmer: Milwaukee, Wisconsin cannibal who kept heads, skulls and body parts in his apartment for sexual gratification; convicted of 15 murders, but believed responsible for at least two others
* Westley Allan Dodd: raped and murdered three boys in 1989; executed on January 5, 1993
* Ronald Dominique: confessed to raping and murdering at least 23 men in Louisiana; sentenced to eight life sentences in 2008
* Nannie Doss: AKA "The Giggling Granny" and "The Jolly Black Widow"; serial poisoner who killed 11 family members
* Paul Durousseau: murdered seven in southeast United States between 1997 and 2003; may have killed while stationed in Germany with the Army
* Mack Ray Edwards: convicted of murdering three children after confessing to the murders of six in Los Angeles County between 1953 and 1969; claimed at one point to have killed as many as 18
* Donald Leroy Evans: convicted of two stranglings and police closed the file on another; suspected of another dozen murders but recanted confessions to over 50 more
* Raymond Fernandez and Martha Beck: AKA the "Lonely Hearts Killers"; killed at least three women and one child in the 1940s but suspected in up to 20 murders in New York and Michigan
* Albert Fish: AKA the "Werewolf of Wisteria"; sadist and pedophile who cannibalized several children; convicted of one murder, confessed to 2 others,claimed to have molested 100 children
* Wayne Adam Ford: AKA "Wayward Wayne"; confessed to murdering four women; believed to have killed others
* Kendall Francois: serial killer from Poughkeepsie, New York who targeted prostitutes; after strangling the women, he would store them in various crawl spaces in and around his home
* Joseph Paul Franklin: racist serial killer who targeted interracial couples and attempted to assassinate Larry Flynt and Vernon Jordan; convicted of 11 murders and confessed to nine others
* John Wayne Gacy: AKA "Killer Clown"; killer of at least 33 men and boys; kept bodies buried under his Chicago home
* Gerald and Charlene Gallego: AKA the "Gallego Sex Slaves Killers"; kidnapped, raped and killed victims in the late 1970s; most of them were teenagers
* Carlton Gary: convicted of the murders of seven elderly women in Georgia
* Donald Henry "Peewee"" Gaskins: AKA "Meanest Man in America"; convicted of nine murders; confessed to more than 200; executed on September 6, 1991
* Ed Gein: two known victims, one suspected victim, four missing persons; elements of Gein's life and crimes have inspired, at least in part, the films Psycho and The Texas Chain Saw Massacre, and the novel/movie The Silence of the Lambs
* Janie Lou Gibbs: Georgia poisoner who killed five family members
* Kristen Gilbert: AKA the "Angel of Death"; nurse convicted of killing four by epinephrine injection
* Lorenzo Gilyard: killed up to 13 prostitutes in the Kansas City area 1977 to 1993
* Harvey Glatman: Californian rapist and killer of three women; lured women to pose for "bondage photographs"; executed September 18, 1959
* Billy Glaze: mission-oriented killer convicted of raping and murdering three Native American prostitutes in Minneapolis in 1986 and 1987
* Gwendolyn Graham and Cathy Wood: Michigan duo who murdered five elderly nursing home residents in their care and claimed to have killed another
* Dana Sue Gray: convicted of murder of three elderly women and attempted murder of a fourth in California
* Vaughn Greenwood: convicted of nine counts of murder, including eight of the "Skid Row Slasher" killings in southern California
* Belle Gunness: Norwegian-born murder-for-profit killer who killed her suitors and children in Indiana
* Anna Marie Hahn: German-born murder-for-profit killer who poisoned five elderly men; executed in 1938
* William Hance: AKA "The Forces Of Evil"; soldier who used the murders of Carlton Gary as an excuse for killing four women around military bases in 1977 and 1978
* Robert Hansen: Alaskan baker who killed prostitutes at his cabin; convicted of four murders but admitted to 11 others
* Donald Harvey: AKA "Angel of Death"; hospital orderly; confessed to more than 80 "mercy killings" with 37 confirmed killings
* Charles Ray Hatcher: convicted of two child murders in 1978 and 1982 having killed another in 1969; also stabbed to death a fellow inmate and another man 20 years apart
* Dale Hausner: Convicted of killing 6 people in random drive-by shootings in 2006 in Phoenix, Arizona
* William Heirens: AKA "The Lipstick Killer"; confessed to three murders spanning from June 1945 to January 1946
* Dr. H. H. Holmes: active from 1890 to 1894 during Chicago's 1893 World's Columbian Exposition; convicted of only one murder but definitively tied to at least eight more and confessed to a total of 27
* Waneta Hoyt: New York woman who murdered her five children
* Michael Hughes: killed four women in the Los Angeles area between 1992 and 1993; charged in 2008 with raping and murdering four additional women between 1986 and 1993
* Leslie Irvin: AKA "Mad Dog"; convicted of killing six people in Indiana in the mid-1950s; his Supreme Court case set a precedent for fair trials of highly publicized defendants
* Phillip Carl Jablonski: killed at least four women in California and Utah
* Keith Hunter Jesperson: Canadian serial killer convicted in the United States
* Vincent Johnson: AKA the "Brooklyn Strangler"; a homeless crack addict who killed at least five prostitutes
* Genene Jones: Texas pediatric nurse who poisoned infants in her care; convicted of only one murder but suspected of 10 or more others
* John Joubert: AKA the "Nebraska Boy Snatcher"; stabbed three children to death in 1982 and 1983
* Patrick Kearney: necrophiliac convicted of 21 murders in California and admitted to seven other murders
* Edmund Kemper: started killing when he was 15 years old in Santa Cruz, California; convicted of six murders and implicated in four others
* Tillie Klimek: Chicago woman who poisoned five husbands; sentenced to life imprisonment
* Paul John Knowles: raped and murdered 18 people
* Randy Kraft: convicted of the murders of 16 young men and boys; suspected of 51 others in California
* Timothy Krajcir: confessed to killing more than nine women—five in Missouri and four others in Illinois and Pennsylvania
* Peter Kudzinowski: killed children in New Jersey in the 1920s
* Leonard Lake and Charles Ng: ex-Marines and survivalists; killed at least 11 people and suspected of 25 in Wilseyville, California; collected and murdered female sex slaves
* Derrick Todd Lee: AKA the "Baton Rouge Serial Killer"; convicted of two murders; linked by DNA evidence to five others
* Henry Lee Lucas: convicted of 11 murders and confessed to approximately 3,000 others, although most of his confessions are considered outlandish; a task force set up to investigate his claims suggested that the true number of his murders may be as high as 213
* Bobbie Joe Long: AKA the "Classified Ad Rapist"; killed 10 women in Tampa Bay, Florida in 1984
* Rhonda Belle Martin: Alabama poisoner who murdered six family members; suspected of poisoning at least nine; executed in 1957
* Frederick Mors: Austrian who killed 17 elderly patients by poisoning in New York
* Herbert Mullin: schizophrenic in Santa Cruz, California who killed people to prevent earthquakes; convicted of 10 murders and confessed to three others
* Earle Nelson: AKA "Gorilla Man"; necrophiliac convicted and hanged for one murder; implicated in about 20 others
* Marie Noe: murdered eight of her children between 1949 and 1968
* Gordon Stewart Northcott: AKA the "Wineville Chicken Coop Murders"; California man who confessed to kidnapping, raping and murdering young boys with the aid of his mother, Sarah Louise Northcott in the 1920s; convicted of 3 murders, suspected of perhaps 20, executed in 1930
* Carl Panzram: murderer, rapist and arsonist; convicted of two murders; confessed to 19 others; executed in 1930
* Gerald Parker: AKA the "Bedroom Basher" raped and murdered five women and killed the unborn baby of a sixth woman in Orange County, California
* Christopher Peterson: AKA the "Shotgun Killer", confessed to shooting seven people with a shotgun in a killing spree spanning from October 30, 1990 to December 18, 1990 in Indiana.
* Dorothea Puente: convicted of three killings in Sacramento, California during the 1980s; suspected of six others
* Dennis Rader: AKA the "BTK Killer"; killed ten people between 1974 and 1991 in Sedgwick County, Kansas
* Richard Ramirez: AKA the "Night Stalker"; terrorized Los Angeles in 1984 and 1985; convicted of 14 murders
* David Parker Ray: convicted of rape and torture and sentenced to 224 years in prison; FBI believes he was responsible for the deaths of 60 women in Truth or Consequences, New Mexico
* Paul Dennis Reid: killed seven people during armed robberies between February and April 1997
* Ángel Maturino Reséndiz: killed nine people in Texas, Kentucky, and Illinois
* Gary Ridgway: AKA the "Green River Killer"; convicted of murdering 48 women in Washington state
* Joel Rifkin: murdered 17 women in the New York City and Long Island areas
* John Edward Robinson: AKA the "Cyber Sex Killer"; lured victims through the internet; convicted of murdering six women in Missouri and Kansas
* Dayton Leroy Rogers: murdered at least six women in Oregon
* Danny Rolling: pleaded guilty to murdering five students in Florida; executed in 2006
* Michael Bruce Ross: raped and murdered seven women in Connecticut; executed May 13, 2005
* Efren Saldivar: respiratory therapist who killed six patients, possibly as many as 120
* Altemio Sanchez: AKA the "Bike Path Rapist"; responsible for three murders and numerous rapes spanning a 25-year period in Buffalo, New York; currently serving three consecutive 75 years-to-life sentences for the murders
* Gerard John Schaefer: Florida police officer who killed up to 34 women and girls
* Charles Schmid: AKA the "Pied Piper of Tucson"; murdered three teenage girls in 1964 and 1965 and buried them in the desert
* Heriberto Seda: New York City copycat killer of the "Zodiac Killer" active from 1990 to 1994; convicted of shooting eight individuals, killing three; sentenced to life imprisonment in 1998
* Tommy Lynn Sells: convicted of only one murder; admitted to murdering dozens of people across the United States, possibly in excess of 70 although only six are confirmed
* Arthur Shawcross: AKA "The Genesee River Killer"; convicted of 12 murders; confessed to one more
* Robert Shulman: convicted of murdering five prostitutes between 1991 and 1996
* Lemuel Smith: confessed to the murders of five people, including an on-duty female prison guard
* Morris Solomon Jr.: handyman who killed six young women between 1986 and 1987 in Sacramento, California
* Timothy Spencer: AKA the "Southside Strangler"; raped and killed five women in Virginia between 1984 and 1987
* Gerald Stano: convicted murderer of 41 women; executed in 1998
* Cary Stayner: killed four women in Yosemite, California
* William Suff: AKA the "Riverside Killer"; killed up to 19 women near Riverside, California
* Michael Swango: physician and surgeon who poisoned over 30 of his patients and colleagues
* Marybeth Tinning: New York woman who smothered nine of her children to death
* Ottis Toole: Henry Lee Lucas' accomplice; convicted of six murders in Florida; confessed to but never tried for Adam Walsh's murder
* Jane Toppan: nurse and lust murderer who poisoned at least 31 patients and relatives in Massachussetts up to the turn of the 20th century
* Maury Travis: St. Louis area torture killer of 12–17 prostitutes from 2000 to 2002
* Chester Turner: murderer of women in Los Angeles, California; convicted of 12 murders and linked through DNA evidence to another
* Henry Louis Wallace: Charlotte, North Carolina killer of at least nine young women from 1992 to 1994
* Carl Eugene Watts: convicted of two murders; admitted to killing 80 people in Texas and Michigan; possibly guilty of 100 murders
* Nathaniel White: convicted of stabbing to death six women in the Hudson Valley, New York area from 1991 to 1992
* Wayne Williams: convicted of two murders; police claim his arrest solved 23 in the string of 28 Atlanta Child Murders
* Randall Woodfield: AKA the "The I-5 Killer" and "The I-5 Bandit"; convicted of four murders; believed responsible for 14 others
* Aileen Wuornos: shot six men dead in Florida; executed in 2002
* Robert Lee Yates: murdered at least 13 women in Spokane County, Washington

Overlooking the late 19th and early 20th century dates,....how many of these people have you actually heard of?
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The bolded ones. Some of the others I faintly remember reading about, but didnt know them offhand by name. Though, Im probably an exception to the rule, as I have a facination with serial killers and sociopaths.

Dr. H. H. Holmes is one of my favorites to read about. Also, though not really a serial killer kind of thing, I went and visited the Wonderland house in Hollywood Hills. It was for rent at the time, and a friend of mine and I almost moved in...almost*.


*rent was too high
 
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Here he is:

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#37
blendermassacre said:
Dr. Cheese, I think I figured out why your threads turn into race threads. You get at least some of your news from obviously race based sources, ie theroot.com and black spin, to name a few right off the top of my head. If the first article on a particular web site is "the blackest white folks we know", I would imagine the source loses its credibility with some people.
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The reason Cheese's threads become race threads is because 9/10 threads he posts have race involved in some way that allows the reader to identify possible racial implications/motives in the original article. Thuthfully, I cannot think of many OT threads he posts that AREN'T in reference to race in some way.
 
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