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Double Bass Appreciating the Upright Bass

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Most likely I bored George on the many times I've played with him, considering the quality of bassists he's accustomed to. LOL. he's a very nice guy.

All I know is, I have twenty years, times two, on both basses in the real world... and I would never suggest to someone that they continue learning from an entity that HAS NO INTEREST OR EXPERTISE IN THE INSTRUMENT THEY PLAY. But then, I'm no PhD. I did get hired by all those people you said I "like", and a bunch more too. Let's all go out and piss in the snowbank now. Yay for us.

Doesn't matter, I think the OP has long since left.
 
#164
Buxtehude said:
As to qualifications to advise. Nil.
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Kindly, I disagree. Marcus has a real name and uses it. You don't and don't. His over ten years on this site giving good, solid and sometimes very humorous insights into the instrument and the music itself, gives him plenty qualifications to advise.
You joined up last year.......congrats. He plays the instrument, you don't.
You can take a shot at me too, but I figure if I say "kindly" in my response to you, i'll be ok.
 
#165
Seriously Bux? I mean seriously? I wasn't going to say any more in this thread but I gotta call BS. You come in here. Accuse us of being elitist. Then start swinging what you view as a big johnthomas around with the letters behind your name and teaching credentials and dishing slams. Really? REALLY? I'm sure someone with an advanced degree such as yourself can see the hypocrisy.

You came in to a relatively civil discussion with a big stick and started swinging. To me that is not the sign of maturity that I'd expect from the person you describe yourself as. Actions speak louder than words.
 
#166
Buxtehude said:
Have been playing upright for 20 years. You probably ought to have noticed that I have a Phd in music. I have taught jazz studies for a time at university and will waltz into any forum I wish to with greater credentials than you and a hatred of musical snobbery.
The best revenge is success. Either the op tries his best or changes his degree. How many degree course programmed have you written?
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This post is trolling, plain and simple. An academic snob lecturing what he perceives to be double bass snobs. And of all people to accuse of this, you chose Marcus, who actively gigs on both basses and has for 20 years? Seriously? There are at least four professors of jazz double bass who post on this site, and none wave their credentials around in this manner. Not coincidentally, all of them post under their own names as well.

I think we all need to stop the e-pudenda waving right now and ask ourselves what we are really doing here at this point. The OP seems to have disappeared. Are we really "helping" him by questioning each others credentials? I think not. If the OP wants to play only BG, he should go to a school that's designed for that. At my school, we require all jazz majors to focus on DB while studying for their degree because that skill is what is called for in most jazz bands. People who double are encouraged to do so when the material being played calls for it. If somebody came to UofL and said they only wanted to play BG, I would try to help them find a place to do that where they could be happy. And if we're really trying to help this person, that would be a useful way to do it.

I think there's a lot to be said for trying to foster an appreciation for the DB in jazz, and anyone who teaches the instrument these days has to do a fair amount of that, especially as many younger students are not aware of so much that has been done, or of the history of the instrument or the music itself. I also believe there comes a point where if a student doesn't want to play the instrument, they should admit that and go somewhere where they can follow their passion in an environment that's designed for that. Whether our OP has reached or surpassed that point is something none of us knows, and perhaps will never know. I do see a lot of people trying to help, though. As long as that's the focus of what's going on here, that's fine. If it turns into a urination contest about credentials, then I'll have no choice but to close it or start handing out infractions for disrespect, which I am not fond of doing.
 
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Buxtehude said:
I believe that the op's attitude has been hardened by his instructor's prejudice against electric bass. The only thing more pretentious than classical music snobs are jazz snobs. These types of people ruin the music experience of so many. I make these statements from the pint of view of a teacher of classical music over many years. Your comments here reek of the same intolerance that has upset the op in the first place. Remember that upright bass replaced the tuba as the bass instrument. Many thought that that was the end of true jazz. A musical genre must adapt or die. The jazz music that I love is an inclusionist rather than an exclusionist medium. Many jazz musicians have developed their snobbery in mimicry of the classical music snobbery that was exhibited towards jazz. I believe that music as a whole should be above such arbitrary categorisations as stylistic authenticity and exclusionism.
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I don't know why you brought my comment back into this. Your points really have nothing to do with what I said. The kid was super rude and I responded to it with disdain. You also take his instructors supposed intolerance at face value. Why put much credence in a no name internet poster, with I repeat, a bad attitude? Congrats on your PhD, but it doesn't give you any more cred than the pro posters on this thread with known musical accomplishments. And you don't back it up with your real name. You haven't convinced me.
 
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Paul Warburton said:
Ha! ;)

dhsierra1 was the poster who brought up my name over there. This wasn't pre-planned, and no, we ain't in cahoots. I will say he's a kindly and very brave sort to even mention one of US
:eek: over there.
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no, it wasn't planned nor have we even met, just know PW by musical reputation. Thanks for the music, experience, as well as the humor, much appreciated :cool:

And yes, I (attempt to) double on slab and DB, plus bring tears of grief to classical cellists everywhere so I'm happy to cross the lines :D

So, about the differences in Euro vs American approaches to bass? More please ;)
 
#175
I guess 1966, somewhere in there. Both basses, almost at the same time.

We should do that Euro bass thing in another thread, maybe? I can always stand to hear players with whom I'm not as familiar...

In the interest of maintaining my friendship with DURRRL, I'm gonna bow outta this one. ;o)
 
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damonsmith said:
Euro vs. American:
Find me an American with a more burly sound than Peter Kowald Or Buschi Niebergall and I will buy you German beer.
I threw my back out playing with John Edwards, and that was in my 20s. Paul Rogers has a huge sound as well.
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Damon, please and kindy, don't start this farce. Mainly, in my kindly opinoin, because it'll become a contest of who has the most "burly sound" according to your taste.
I'm kindly fer starting the other thread on Euro vs. American **** because that would be a giggle and a half.
In my kindly opion, this thread should closed because it's lapsing into a whole different territory, nothing to do with facts and more about musical tastes.
 
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