im actually tryin to buy a Neo 2x12 atm.. but this side of the world i have to deal with holland.. would a b2 Ampeg be a good match for one??
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Are Avatar cabs actually good?
- Thread starter Waspinators
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Whether Cab A sounds better than cab B is,of course,purely subjective. But having owned the Berg,Accugroove,and Avatar at the same time, a side by side test told me that the Avatar was the clear winner.The Avatar was cleaner,the low end was tighter,not boomy at all,but capale of putting out some serious low end.The Berg sounded great,no doubt,and I would have probably kept it if it wasn't for the weight,but it didn't sound any better for the extra money you have to pay for one.At 460.00 shipped for a cabinet that sounded just as good as the others,lighter,and more than 1/2 the price,it was pretty obvious which one to keep.
I'm getting back into bass, and interested in all the hype surrounding Avatar.
how would two 4x10 Avatars compare to an Ampeg 8x10?
how are the lows?
how would two 4x10 Avatars compare to an Ampeg 8x10?
how are the lows?
I'm not sure how many bass-playing hookers with internet access and TB registration there are to get offended.
Mike
...getting back on topic...
The Avatar uses a Deltalite II 2510 (Neo) that claims a useable freq range of 60 Hz to 4kHz; The Ampeg SVT 810 AV claims a useable low freq of 40 Hz. (Of course the SVT 810 E only claims 58 Hz.) Of course the Ampegs weigh 165 lbs. Without doing a side by side test, I suspect the nod goes to Ampeg wrt "lows."
I said I know he didn't mean anything by it, but yeah, I find an image of a women being beaten by her pimp offensive in the same way that most people find having the F bomb dropped in casual conversation to be offensive. Anyway, I didn't intend a derail, so please carry on with the thread.
First post here, I was also thinking of switching to Avatar 4x10 Neo's. I use a SVT4PRO and I went from using that with an Ampeg 8x10E to a PR410HLF to save my back and the PR410HLF is smaller but is still a bitch to lift onto a strage or in and out of my truck. I was thinking of getting 2 Avatar 4x10's and have the choice of using 1 or 2 cabs depending on my needs.
Having gone the 'get a light unit' route after 35 years professional playing I went an Avatar 210 neo and a 2x12 neo..Picked them up at the factory..
Get this..I have NEVER blown a speaker..I know how to make sure they last.
I blew the 210 at a practice with a SWR sm400, and I blew the 212 at a gig with the same amp, preferring to leave the big guns setup at home.
I was shocked, dismayed and freaked out. Fortunately I have an SWR 410 to fall back on. I've had that for 18 years..you can't hurt it if you know how to apply the power to it..(like any good speaker)
I guess I'm a slow learner with a lean wallet. You have to buy GOOD gear if you are a professional, and to have make some noise without fear of gear self destructing on stage.
I then bought a Schroeder 410L neo at a little over 50 lbs, 1200W capability. It sounds unbelievable, and I would probably never buy anything but a Schroeder again.
The neo 212 sounds very nice although not the punch of some decent 10's but I frankly wouldn't use it for a gig either.The 210 was weak, no balls, best used as a plant stand.
This is my experience with Avatars, so don't rag on me if you are an avid Avatar fan. If they put in custom factory made heavy duty specials like Schroeder and some other manufacturers, I'm sure they would be fine, but they would also double or more in price. You get what you pay for in our gear that has to move a lot of air. That is the bottom line.
I don't mean to crap on Avatar..very nice folks.
Get this..I have NEVER blown a speaker..I know how to make sure they last.
I blew the 210 at a practice with a SWR sm400, and I blew the 212 at a gig with the same amp, preferring to leave the big guns setup at home.
I was shocked, dismayed and freaked out. Fortunately I have an SWR 410 to fall back on. I've had that for 18 years..you can't hurt it if you know how to apply the power to it..(like any good speaker)
I guess I'm a slow learner with a lean wallet. You have to buy GOOD gear if you are a professional, and to have make some noise without fear of gear self destructing on stage.
I then bought a Schroeder 410L neo at a little over 50 lbs, 1200W capability. It sounds unbelievable, and I would probably never buy anything but a Schroeder again.
The neo 212 sounds very nice although not the punch of some decent 10's but I frankly wouldn't use it for a gig either.The 210 was weak, no balls, best used as a plant stand.
This is my experience with Avatars, so don't rag on me if you are an avid Avatar fan. If they put in custom factory made heavy duty specials like Schroeder and some other manufacturers, I'm sure they would be fine, but they would also double or more in price. You get what you pay for in our gear that has to move a lot of air. That is the bottom line.
I don't mean to crap on Avatar..very nice folks.
I've read multiple threads of people blowing speakers in Avatar cabs. I'm wondering if there is something to this? Are these all older Avatar cabs?
My Avatar B212 is only a few months old but I play with a fairly loud drummer and two guitarists and I never get to the point of excessive speaker movement. We also played an outdoor gig a couple months back and I let the bass player before me and the bass player after me use my rig. There were three bands that day and my cab was pushed pretty hard for about 5+ straight hours and it didn't show signs of having any issues. The last bassist even cranked the boost and bass knobs all the way up on my GK 700RB (I didn't know this until I went to tear down). I've never even heard the woofers begin to "fart".
I'm just trying to figure out why I see so many people on this site have problems with blowing speakers in their Avatar cabs??
My Avatar B212 is only a few months old but I play with a fairly loud drummer and two guitarists and I never get to the point of excessive speaker movement. We also played an outdoor gig a couple months back and I let the bass player before me and the bass player after me use my rig. There were three bands that day and my cab was pushed pretty hard for about 5+ straight hours and it didn't show signs of having any issues. The last bassist even cranked the boost and bass knobs all the way up on my GK 700RB (I didn't know this until I went to tear down). I've never even heard the woofers begin to "fart".
I'm just trying to figure out why I see so many people on this site have problems with blowing speakers in their Avatar cabs??
Its called perceived value. Using Common Wisdom (you get what you pay for), a name brand cab at Guitar Center for $700 MUST be better twice as good as a way lesser known brand for $350 for the equivalent item. So no, you don't get what you pay for, you get the image of what you imagine.
The $700 cab has added Advertising cost and added Distributor cost and added Retailer cost that the little manufacturer in Idaho you buy direct from doesn't have. Thats why they cost about half what a "name brand" product does.
If your favorite artist plays "name brand", then your perceived value tells you it must be worth twice the cost. The rest of us just call Avatar and spend the savings on Dope and Hookers.
The $700 cab has added Advertising cost and added Distributor cost and added Retailer cost that the little manufacturer in Idaho you buy direct from doesn't have. Thats why they cost about half what a "name brand" product does.
If your favorite artist plays "name brand", then your perceived value tells you it must be worth twice the cost. The rest of us just call Avatar and spend the savings on Dope and Hookers.
