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Are "skinny" strings easier to play?

For bass generally yes. I started playing my nylon guitars again and I normally get high tensions strings. So I bought my usual D'Addario and Augustine High tension but this time I did not look that I got carbon trebles (as in fluorocarbon used in ski bottoms) They were noticeably thinner than regular nylpn,. Ex the high E s0.024 vs 0.029 . 22.7 vs 16.2 lbs for the D'Addario. I am sure the Augustine was higher because their set is even more tension than the D'Addario. They did make my guitar sound louder.

In the upright, Pirastro Passione and Evah Pirazzi synthetic core string are higher tension than comparable strings.
 
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One shouldn't be fighting their instrument, IMO.

Learning to lighten both the grip of the LH and the touch of the RH will result in less fatigue as well as in cleaner technique overall.

Once you've gone past that stage use any strings that you deem fit. There's nothing inherently wrong in using light gauge, but not for the reasons that brought you to that idea initially. IMO/IME.

Good luck.
 
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Sometimes you could get a lower action with thicker strings. Other than that, thinner strings tend to be easier to play. Now I play mostly 08-38 guitar strings and 39-96 flatwound strings, and I'm thinking of trying some 40-95 rounds, too. There's no need to limit yourself to heavy strings when the lighter ones sound just as good (can be slightly different, but I like the lighter tone especially on guitars).
But I agree that your pain can be relieved by practising with better technique. It will improve your mobility across frets in the long run, too.
 
I've just recently learned that the pain in my fretting hand is caused from me squeezing the neck when I play.
It was suggested that I lower my action to help with adjusting my technique.

Would it help to go thinner in the strings as well?

I'm at 45 - 65 - 85 - 105 now.

Would switching to 40 - 60 - 80 - 100 help me fret the note using less pressure?

(everything else is equal. I would be going from Ernie Ball Hybrid Slinky to Hyper Slinky)
I suggest you swap to lighter strings and then spend deliberate practice time learning proper hand technique and work to minimize all hand tension. Experiment with just how lightly you can play with your hand. Over time that should help a lot! I play light strings with low action and it makes a huge difference when you are playing for three hours!
 
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I've tried the super-light Funkmasters, .030-.090, and they are indeed "easier" to play, in the sense that you can bend the strings easily. IME, you lose some "heft" in the tone, particularly on the D and G strings, so it's a bit of a tradeoff. If you like Mark Kings slap tone, he uses the super light funkmasters..035 to .095 is a nice compromise IMO, or even .040-.095, but anything heavier gets harder to play, at least for me.
 
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I was wondering about that too. The pain is between my wrist and the bottom of my thumb. A thicker neck sounds like something that might help.
Could it be arthritis? I developed pain in that area, particularly where bottom of thumb meets hand/palm.

Was told it's arthritis. I became extra conscious of fretting hand technique. Think I was over hinging/ rotating at this low thumb joint, rather than subtly shift hand position.

It was bad for a while, then plateaued and now is improved. But still get tweaks. Got to look after ourselves.
 
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The answer is technique.* It does not take a great deal of pressure to fret cleanly, especially on a so-called "medium light" set like .045 - .105. If death-gripping a standard set is habit, it will remain a habit until broken. Strings alone won't do it.

As an experiment, make a game out of finding the absolute minimum pressure needed to fret cleanly. Press lightly just behind a fret.
 
My short answer, try it. Strictly speaking, thinner strings are marginally easier to manipulate, so strictly speaking, they can be said to be "easier on your hand". But if going down 05 on your string gauges is the only thing you do, I wouldn't think there's reason to believe it would have much of any effect. Relief has to involve the specific motions affected by and affecting the injury. Regular guitar strings are much thinner, that doesn't mean that playing a bunch of chords on one wouldn't aggravate my wrist pain.

That said, my very long answer is that I've recently tried this myself and believe it's part of what's helping me find some success (currently, the string change, medically recommended stretches and exercises and taking naproxen). That belief is all that matters. I don't believe the string change is magical, significant or even necessary, but it's in the mix and the mix is working.

I'm currently trying to mitigate or hopefully eliminate the need for surgery, if I can. My issue first appeared as a knot on my left wrist, which I learned was inflammation (I thought it might have been a calcium deposit when it was smaller) when it developed into trigger thumb sending me to a hand specialist. The examination and scans showed that I have tendonitis (inflammation of the connective tissue involved with the joint) and some arthritis (inflammation within the joint).

Skipping over the details of what all was done, I ended up getting two cortisone shots. I was told that in some cases, the effects of the cortisone allow the inflammation to resolve and that can be the end of it for a long time and that progressing to the need for surgery is in the smaller percentage of cases. The period after the first shot was absolutely blissful but didn't last too long (a few weeks). When I got the second shot, I was told that repeated shots do more damage than help in the long-run, so that was it, and if I needed to return, we'd talk about surgery.

I had carpel tunnel surgery on both wrists, and personally, I had very short downtime and great results. If you have persistent pain and then complete relief, that relief is a wonderful thing. The problem here is the hassle and trying to find or make a hole in my schedule for it. So that's what leads me to do what I can to improve things.

I've tried a bunch of things and a bunch of different combinations of ice, epsom salt soaks, TENS, splinting, topical diclofenac, ibuprofen, naproxen, acetaminophen, hand devices (e.g., Cats Paw), stretching exercises and weight exercses. I addition to the string change, my routine for the last 6-8 weeks has been only a small regime of stretch and weight execises and naproxen. I feel like the biggest impact is from the weight exercises. But I think that everything works together. Simply knowing that I changed the strings causes me to focus on what I'm doing with my hand a bit more.

I'm not at all at 100%, but I could get close if improvement continues. If I have no further improvement from where I am, it's at least managable until I can find time that works for surgery.

If I had a time machine, I'd have put in some of this work while the cortisone was working on the inflammation and I might not be dealing with this now.
 
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As an experiment, make a game out of finding the absolute minimum pressure needed to fret cleanly. Press lightly just behind a fret.

I second this

You should be able to fret a note with your thumb barely touching the back of the neck. Use your arm muscles to gently pull, not your hand muscles to squeeze

This seems like something most self-taught bass players don't get, and then they end up trying to fix bad technique with setups and strings that can compromise the sound and playability of the instrument.
Thirded.

@Dust2Dust Sounds much more like a technique issue than a gear issue.

Don't squeeze that hard.

The key to playing a stringed instrument is only using just enough strength to play the note cleanly. You shouldn't have to squeeze very hard. It will take a bit of practice to un-train yourself from overgripping. Just run through some exercises or simple songs you know playing with as light a touch as possible while still getting a clean note.

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Well, first, make sure your bass is properly set up by a professional. If the bass's action is too high, you're essentially using one of these every time you try to squeeze the string to a note:
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A proper setup means with good action means you don't have to move the string nearly as far to the fret, and the strings aren't fighting back nearly as much.

But you can't just lower the string hight without ensuring the neck is set up properly first (aka truss rod adjustment.)

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Once the bass is properly set up, start practicing playing without squeezing too hard.

Are lighter gauges easier to play? Yes, but not necessarily. Victor Wooten uses a lighter gauge on tour because he feels they're less fatiguing. However, my easiest-to-play bass has La Bella Deep Talkin' Flats on it. Those are considered some of the stiffest "high tension" strings. But i can play them effortlessly on that bass because the bass is set up well and i play with just enough strength to get a clean tone.

The lighter strings might help a little.
The setup + proper grip technique will help A LOT more, even with the strings you have now.

Once you get in the habit of playing lighter, then experiment with different string sizes. Also experiment with different neck shapes. Go into music shops and just play different basses. Go to open jams, make friends with other bassist and trade basses for a song or two. Find a neck shape you really love and then consider adding that bass to your collection. :angel: :laugh:

People often cite the Jazz bass as being easier to play because the neck is thinner than the P bass. But i find the beef of a P neck easier to play on in my hand. But i still play my Jazz bass and other thin-necked basses now and then without issue. Everybody is different; every bass is different.

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Also:
- It's important to warm up first. Get the blood flowing to your fingers before you start playing. That could include finger stretches, or gently playing some exercises on the bass, or playing some really simple songs before you really start playing. Chopin would literally soak his wrists in warm water to warm up and loosen the muscles. Warming up is incredibly important and a lot of players don't do it nearly enough, myself included. But it'll definitely prevent some cramping.

- Don't overdo it. If you're starting to get cramping in your hand, stop playing. Don't try to fight through it. Stop playing and do some hand, arm, and shoulder exercises. Take a break before you start playing again.

- Do some light finger strengthening exercises regularly. It doesn't have to be an insane finger workout routine. But stronger fingers mean you have to exert less strength and energy pressing the strings to the fretboard.
 
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The DR Pure Blues Victor Wooten set is another favorite set. About $25 at Fret Nation.

.040 G and lighter than usual E, A, and D.

These are about as stiff as I go these days. I have sets of the VW pure blues in my string box. Each bass has had them installed at some point, so they have been soaked in denatured alcohol and cleaned, then stored.

And just like that, a broken in set ready to go.

Since the basses are already wearing these smaller gauges and lower tension, set up fiddling is minimal.

I think the DR’s are a step up from the D’Addario xl, but a bit more money.

FretNation.com is my go to for strings. Jason will set you up. Singles and made up sets can be had.
 
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You should be able to fret a note with your thumb barely touching the back of the neck. Use your arm muscles to gently pull, not your hand muscles to squeeze

This seems like something most self-taught bass players don't get, and then they end up trying to fix bad technique with setups and strings that can compromise the sound and playability of the instrument.

Over the decades I’ve found my favorites basses have been set up where my thumb doesn’t even need to touch the back of the neck. I’ve always associated the saying “bass plays itself” with that type of set up. A thicker neck, a bit lower tension and a nice low set up all attribute. I admit in my younger years playing with medium - high action and that was a huge mistake.
 
I get pain between my thumb and wrist in the fleshy part of my hand, when I play basses with thin necks.
When I play a bass with a thicker neck (front to back) I don't get the pain, regardless of strings used.
This is because on thicker necks, I don't push my thumb against the back of the neck, I can grab the neck more naturally.
 
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For the past 20 years I’ve been playing 45-105 strings. For some reason, I felt like this gauge is a bit too much on my Pbass.
I decided to switch to Fenders 7250L in 40-100, and I really like them. They are not very loose, just comfortable enough and very responsive. Great strings.
They make me play better and with less effort.
 
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