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Are the 50s precision pickups identical to telecaster pickups

Jul 1, 2024
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Obviously not literally identical in terms of poles, but i mainly mean in terms of poles.

I'm trying to get as close as possible to a guitar tone on a modded bass, and someone recommended the 51P5 pickup (a replica of the old 1951 pickups). I'm curious if they are made the exact same way as tele pickups (and therefore have the same tone), or of they sound different.
 
I have used Strat and Tele pickups many times in bass builds. They sound, basically, like bass pickups. If you want a pickup leaning more to the treble side, certain strat pickups lean that way. Dimarzio have tone specs for all their pickups online. I am sure others too.
 
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I have used Strat and Tele pickups many times in bass builds. They sound, basically, like bass pickups. If you want a pickup leaning more to the treble side, certain strat pickups lean that way. Dimarzio have tone specs for all their pickups online. I am sure others too.
Thanks. I'm thinking about using the DiMarzio cruiser pickup set because they're quite high treble and the fact that they're rail pickups means i don't have to worry about string spacing. Do you think they would work and give me a pretty guitar-like tone?
 
Sure. Any treble-voiced bass pickup will get you in the ballpark. The ‘51 P pickup doesn’t utilize the steel bottom plate that a Tele pickup does so the field is considerably different. The construction is otherwise pretty similar. If you added a steel plate underneath you would get some of the bite or sharp attack that a Tele bridge pickup has.

Also, don’t forget that strings will have a huge impact on your tone.
 
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I have used Strat and Tele pickups many times in bass builds. They sound, basically, like bass pickups. If you want a pickup leaning more to the treble side, certain strat pickups lean that way. Dimarzio have tone specs for all their pickups online. I am sure others too.
There is a misconception that there is something fundamentally different about bass and guitar pickups. There are differences about how the pole pieces line up, of course, but there is about where the differences stop - guitar and bass pickups are much more alike than most folks think they are.

Magnetic pickups (what we use on guitars and basses) share the same Physics. One of the things that brings with it is that there is no (zero) low end rolloff in magnetic pickups - a guitar pickup will have every bit as much low end as a bass pickup if put on a bass. Also, there are not "scooped" pickups - magnetic pickups are very flat at low and low mid frequencies. There is a high mid peak - where that is frequency wise, and how high it is are the primary things that make one pickup different than the next one. Humans have preferences for where they like to hear those peaks - pianos, acoustic guitars, violins, etc. have them too, but they are done acoustically in those instruments. Above that peak, whether it is done electrically or acoustically, instruments roll off response wise - we don't like a lot of really high treble (it sounds harsh).

If someone tells you their bass has "hi fi" pickups, the implication is that they have flat response. They don't - they may have more extended treble (a higher frequency mid peak), but there is a peak and a rolloff - without the rolloff, the bass would not sound "hi-fi", it would sound awful. I have measured responses of a couple hundred different pickup types to date, and all of them have a peak (though it may be highly damped), and a rolloff.

Pickups get their characters from where their upper mid peak is, and how high it is. If a pickup sounds "mid scooped" or "bass shy", it isn't - but it may be that your ears are distracted by a lot of upper mids, and your brain is interpreting that as something other than what it really is.
 
Thanks. I'm thinking about using the DiMarzio cruiser pickup set because they're quite high treble and the fact that they're rail pickups means i don't have to worry about string spacing. Do you think they would work and give me a pretty guitar-like tone?
I have a Bronco where I went looking for a nice bright pickup (in a strat format). The Dimarzio Cruisers have two blades - that format rolls off the high end a bunch. The pickups that I landed on are Seymour Duncan Vintage Rails - blades, hum cancelling, but only one blade is listening to a given string - which means they are nice and articulate.
 
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51 p pickups are closer to strat pickups. A tele bridge pu is a bit wider and hotter and has a baseplate while the tele neck is a bit narrower.

But I don't think what you are looking for is actually possible. A bass with guitar pickups still sounds like a bass, and viceversa.
 
Slightly off topic to OP but my tech took my 51p pickup apart, shielded the insides, and did up the whole bass with copper shielding. Completely resolved the 60 cycle hum, but did not change the pickups' character in any noticeable way.. it's pretty incredible.
 
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There is a misconception that there is something fundamentally different about bass and guitar pickups. There are differences about how the pole pieces line up, of course, but there is about where the differences stop - guitar and bass pickups are much more alike than most folks think they are.

The Danelectro “lipstick” pickups were used on all of their instruments…guitars, basses even sitars. Worked pretty well for them.
 
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Cool. I'd be interested in what he specifically did.
I can take some photos tomorrow if that's helpful, but the best I can remember is all the cavities were shielded, he took the cloth wrap off the pickup to expose the wires, wrapped the wires in copper and put the cloth back on, and wrapped copper around all the wires that run through the body. He also coppered the bridge. I told him to "shield it to hell" and he told me he called it the "tinfoil hat bass" while working on it.

What's interesting, is it kept all the high end character it seemed to have before, at least I find it has a very strong fundamental, and then bringing in the tone knob increases articulation and woodyness in the tone. Its a pretty great bass! I found the single coil hum very frustrating, but now it's totally gone whether I record DI or play live.
 
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