Never. Hard enough with a drummer who can't keep the beat without inviting a bunch of drunken rhythmically challenged bar flies to join in ... 

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Never. Hard enough with a drummer who can't keep the beat without inviting a bunch of drunken rhythmically challenged bar flies to join in ...![]()
Are you sure it wasn't 1 and 3? 2 and 4 are the back beat.
Great. But the bar flies can't.My drummer can keep a beat son!
Try clapping to a death metal song.....![]()