Autumn Leaves in 3

Discussion in 'Music [DB]' started by keebler, Nov 24, 2021 at 11:21 AM.

  1. Got a winter recording project with my jazz trio, and we're doing some lesser known standards that haven't been over-recorded throughout the ages. But we got hung up trying to find a waltz.

    So I got to thinking, how about "Autumn Leaves" in 3? I know we've done this at jam sessions before, but has anyone ever recorded and released a version of the song in 3/4 time?
  2. Should maybe move this thread to Recordings, as that is what I'm actually looking for.
  3. Carl Hillman

    Carl Hillman Supporting Member

    Jan 1, 2010
    I haven't heard Autumn Leaves as a waltz, but I've played All The Things You Are in 3, and I actually like it better that way.
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  4. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Augusta GA
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    We'll gloss over the juxtaposition of "lesser known standards" and "Autumn Leaves" for a moment and focus a little more on the "can't find a waltz". There are so many to choose from,
    Jitterbug Waltz
    Waltz for Debbie
    Summer in Central Park
    Lotus Blossom
    Falling In Love With Love
    Up Jumped Spring
    Out of This World
    Baubles, Bangles, and Beads
    Boy, What a Night
    Gary's Notebook
    Valse Hot
    Night Dreamer

    i have to run out, but that's just off the top of my head....
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  5. SteveC

    SteveC Moderator Staff Member

    Nov 12, 2004
    NE ND
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  6. Good ones! Couple of my faves in there (Bluesette, Up Jumped Spring).

    I guess what we're running into is what can we play that is in the guitar player's bag. He's a big Wes-head. Also, maybe considering Autumn Leaves to be more of a touchstone since the other tunes are lesser known, but doing it with a twist
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  7. Yeah, found that one, too. The arrangement is a little out there, not quite what I'm hearing in my head
  8. dhergert

    dhergert Gold Supporting Member

    Jan 17, 2018
    Blue Zone, California
    Problem with 3'ing A-L is that you have to compress everything but the last note of the measure in order to keep the harmonies right, and that makes it off-the-wall to sing. Do you have a vocalist that you have to worry about?

    If not, instrumental should be fun.
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  9. statsc

    statsc Supporting Member

    Apr 23, 2010
    Burlington, VT
    A Child is Born
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  10. AGCurry

    AGCurry Supporting Member

    Jun 29, 2005
    St. Louis
    I like to do this, i.e., change time signatures. There's often an interesting way to make it work, and it can breathe new life into an exhausted standard.
    As an aside, I don't like hearing "Amazing Grace" because it's done so often ... but put it in a medium-uptempo Bluegrass 2/4 and it's fresh again.
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  11. Steven Ayres

    Steven Ayres Supporting Member

    Mar 11, 2007
    Northern Arizona
    I can pretty naturally play AL in 6.
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  12. CaseyVancouver


    Nov 4, 2012
    I don’t recall ever playing AL in three.

    BUT …at a trio gig (clarinet, guitar, bass) we had an attractive older lady ask, in perfect English, to sing it.
    No way we were going to say no. What came next surprised everybody.

    She sang it in French and had a fantastic voice. Blew everybody away with the beauty of her voice.
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  13. I think the melody works in 3 if the pickup notes become, " & 3 & 1". Then it's just 3 beats per chord change. I'm feeling it in the neighborhood of 200 bpm.

    Feels pretty natural, and there are places to really play off the 4-over-3 rhythmic ideas, especially throwing in some ii-V's with it.

    Thank goodness, no vocalist on this project. ;) Just bass, drums, & guitar.
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  14. Yes. Attractive ladies singing anything in French would captivate me completely!
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  15. knirirr


    May 28, 2018
    Oxford, England
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  16. I’m hearing a swing 3/4 with the melody phrasing….

    A section syncopated
    (1) & . & . & | 1

    B section
    2 3 | 1 2 & . . | . 2 3 | 1 [rpt]

    2 3 | 1 2 &. . & | 1 . 3 | 1 . &
    | Miss you most of | all . my | dar-ling

    Last 2 lines syncopated as per A Section
  17. Ed Fuqua

    Ed Fuqua

    Dec 13, 1999
    Augusta GA
    Chuck Sher publishes my book, WALKING BASSICS:The Fundamentals of Jazz Bass Playing.
    And he didn’t call West Coast Blues?
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  18. shwashwa


    Aug 30, 2003
    why would you do that ?! playing in 3 is 25% more difficult than playing in 4... if you want to make it easier, you can make each measure of the tune into 2 measures of 3, essentially converting it to 6/4, which would be 50% easier.
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