Has anyone tried to match a 4 ohms b212 neo with a 8 ohms sb112 to run a 312 at 2,67 ohms.
Why is it sb112 and not b112, are they voiced differently.
Why is it sb112 and not b112, are they voiced differently.
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Avatar Owners Club Pt. 2
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The former B112 was a cube shaped cabinet with ports in the back. The SB112 style (I'm not sure if "S" stands for side or sideways or something else) is newer.
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To answer your voicing question...an Avatar web page a year or two later described the "new" SB112 as taller, front ported and designed for use with a 5-string bass.
I am looking into purchasing a 410 cab (maybe 2) and the B410 seems to be getting a lot of great press. I'm looking to buy one of the best 410 cabs available. Years ago everyone talked about Avatar as good for the money, but now it seems they are good not taking price into consideration. So I'm not a big fan of neo drivers and was wondering what seems to be the best choice of drivers, weight and cost not being a factor. From what I have been able to determine it seems like the cast frame Eminence Pro 10's with extended x max seem to be the ticket. I use a lot of extended bottom end and that is my main concern, big usable bottom and a lot of volume. Others I'm considering are Bergantino, Aguilar and possibly Epifani as they seem to be one of the few neos that have good bottom end. I currently use a Bergantino HT115 and HT210 which I may be selling. Would buy 1 cab at first and if I really like it would add a second. Unbiased opinions would be appreciated.
Since my first review, I've been playing through my SB112 a lot. Until 4am a lot!
Though still only in my music room, I am getting a better sense of this cabinet; of its voice, of what it does when driven harder or more gently, etc. And I've been playing with more pedals, including such processing as rich analog phasing and nasty, thick, octaver-laced gating distortion. I think this matters, since it is more challenging for the cabinet than "just" straight ahead bass guitar sounds.
So here is a new observation:
5. Responsiveness. When given good, clean power, through most of its typically useful volume range, even to the softest part, the SB112 is responsive: it interprets playing input dynamics well and tends toward a contemporary "hi-fi" sound. That is, if it is coloring the source, it is not obviously acting as a sound shaper or asserting the voice of its speaker.
But when pushed harder, to the loudest part of its useful volume range, the voice of this 4 ohm SB112 changes. Oh yes it does.
When pushed (my AI amp can make 800 watts at 4 ohms), the rest of the sonic character of the 500 watt Eminence Delta LF 12 ceramic speaker is revealed. The voice of the speaker comes to the fore. The result is
For a band or audience, I don't yet know. But in my rather "live" music room, playing at such high volume is a guilty pleasure. The sound and feel of playing so much more "with" the cabinet is seductive and rewarding. My old, ringing ears can stand it only in small doses. Haha!
I hope that helps.But when pushed harder, to the loudest part of its useful volume range, the voice of this 4 ohm SB112 changes. Oh yes it does.
When pushed (my AI amp can make 800 watts at 4 ohms), the rest of the sonic character of the 500 watt Eminence Delta LF 12 ceramic speaker is revealed. The voice of the speaker comes to the fore. The result is
- more classic, guitaristic, tough, aggressive, tactile, midrange-y
- less modern, hi-fi, genteel, neutral, utilitarian, ultrabass-y.
For a band or audience, I don't yet know. But in my rather "live" music room, playing at such high volume is a guilty pleasure. The sound and feel of playing so much more "with" the cabinet is seductive and rewarding. My old, ringing ears can stand it only in small doses. Haha!
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Snaxster
If you continue pushing your 500watt speaker with an 800 watt amp, you may discover yet another characteristic, the thick distorted sound that comes with a blown speaker! At at all volumes... I prefer the amp fart before the speaker.
Haha! Thanks for the caution, GemJam.
I'm not using even near the amp's output capacity to drive the SB112. All I'm doing is driving it so it really starts to "open up". Also, I am using the amp's low cut filter (-12 dB/octave) to cut from 30 Hz down. So far, it's been only big, beautiful musical sound; no speaker farting!
Usually I save my speaker destroying for defenseless 8", low wattage guitar speakers.
Newbie question here: I'm looking to pick up an Avatar cab sometime in the near future. Looking for either the 2x10 or 1x12. My 'problem' is that I'd like to run my bass and Chapman Stick through it ( not at the same time! ). I run my basses through an Ampeg SVT-III and my Stick through a Rane SP-13. I know neither cab may be perfect, but which of the two would be better?
I don't do much gigging. Mainly recording lots of different styles of music at my modest home studio.
Thanks for the help. These cabs look great!
I don't do much gigging. Mainly recording lots of different styles of music at my modest home studio.
Thanks for the help. These cabs look great!
If you would ever mic it for recording definitely a 112. B210 is a great cab but I'd totally go with the 112 for what your doing.
I'd definitely run a dry/mic mix when recording. I had been leaning toward the 2x10. Thanks for the advice.
i have both. I like the 1 12 cab but doesn't move enough volume. the 2 10 seems to be louder and cleaner at decent volume. love my 2 12
jumbodbassman said:
Well, hey Jumbo - nice to see you over here! So now I should get a 2 12? Why is nothing easy?
Hey snaxter , I just found awesome rig, tried a bunch of setup's .This is what i'm using now . Minimark 800 tube w/ Avatar B212 4ohm 1000 watt cab !! Playing w/ 1982 G&L L 2000 E bass . Kicks ass !! I can drive those 12's without worry !!
Hi, tdshea. That's good news about your rocking bass rig there. I wish my back could handle a 212 cabinet!
Best of all, though, is that you found what you liked after trying different setups. Advice from others is fine, but I think that playing gear for yourself is the only way to know.
Smoking bass, by the way.
Here's me playing my B212 with a Shuttle 9.0 and a Sterling Ray34 in Tennessee. Can I get a number?
Since I see people posting Avatar questions in the thread I figured it was safe to post mine. I have two questions.
First, there's a three year old B212 available on my local CL for $200. I don't know if the speakers are eminence or neos [edit: Just confirmed they are eminence]. Is this a good/fair price?
Second, I plan to pair it with a Line6 HD 400 (400 wattt bass head). I will be using the cab for rehearsal and as my stage monitor for my band's gigs (we have a small PA for FOH, 2 QSC k12s and 1 Yorkville ls801p sub). Our band plays mostly classic rock, and I generally play with a very clean rock bass tone. Do those of you who've used the B212 think it will work for my needs?
Any and all advice is appreciated.
First, there's a three year old B212 available on my local CL for $200. I don't know if the speakers are eminence or neos [edit: Just confirmed they are eminence]. Is this a good/fair price?
Second, I plan to pair it with a Line6 HD 400 (400 wattt bass head). I will be using the cab for rehearsal and as my stage monitor for my band's gigs (we have a small PA for FOH, 2 QSC k12s and 1 Yorkville ls801p sub). Our band plays mostly classic rock, and I generally play with a very clean rock bass tone. Do those of you who've used the B212 think it will work for my needs?
Any and all advice is appreciated.
I also have an Avatar question and am hoping this is the right place to find the folks most likely to know the answer:
I have a B210 Delta that I bought back in 2003, and now I'm thinking about adding a second 2x10. My first thought (of course) is to just get another of the same, given that I'm perfectly happy with the one I have and under the assumption that this would be an ideal match. But it occurred to me that maybe, over the course of nearly 10 years, the model has changed in some way that would cause a 2003 version and a 2012 version to not be an ideal match after all. Is there any reason to think that a new B210 Delta wouldn't get along with an old one -- at least as well as two old ones or two new ones would get along with each other?
I have a B210 Delta that I bought back in 2003, and now I'm thinking about adding a second 2x10. My first thought (of course) is to just get another of the same, given that I'm perfectly happy with the one I have and under the assumption that this would be an ideal match. But it occurred to me that maybe, over the course of nearly 10 years, the model has changed in some way that would cause a 2003 version and a 2012 version to not be an ideal match after all. Is there any reason to think that a new B210 Delta wouldn't get along with an old one -- at least as well as two old ones or two new ones would get along with each other?
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Is the original amp 8 or 4 ohm impedance?
If you put two 8 ohm cabs together you will get 4 ohms being driven from the amp. As long as it will handle 4 ohms it will work fine, however if your amp is 4 ohm already it is not recommended using two cabs as it will be a total of 2 ohms and if one cab is 4 and you get an 8 ohm the total is 2.66 ohms and one cab will be driven harder than the other.
If you put two 8 ohm cabs together you will get 4 ohms being driven from the amp. As long as it will handle 4 ohms it will work fine, however if your amp is 4 ohm already it is not recommended using two cabs as it will be a total of 2 ohms and if one cab is 4 and you get an 8 ohm the total is 2.66 ohms and one cab will be driven harder than the other.
Thanks for the reply. The Avatar cab I have is 8 ohm, so I would get another 8-ohm cab to go with it.
All depends on what kind of sound you're looking for, I love using 12" with bass, either a 1x12 or 2x12. As far as price, if it's in good shape I'd say it's worth it. I picked up a Neo 212 at my pawn shop in excellent condition for $132, it was a steal! As far as power you would be fine, the 212 eminence (non-neo) will cover 1000watts.
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