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Baer Amplification Megathread!
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It's a bit of a joke, since the amps aren't on the market yet. However, the EQ section looks like you could dial anything in/out. Looks like it will be class-d light, too.
V2 is definitely a bit more mellow in the upper mids and it extends a bit lower to my ear. I like 'em both with different heads, but decided to move the V1 as the V2 could get as aggressive with a bump of upper mid eq.
I would be surprised if a used V2 popped-up anytime soon. I suggest checking-out the most recent post here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Baer-Amplification/146952652065755
Thanks again Roger. I have nothing but good things to say about doing business with you.
Wow, the rig looks great and I'm guessing works really well with the G&L. Bought a L2500 for my son last year and I have to say, it's as good as many boutique basses costing much more. I think you could be the only one that I know of using two ML115's... I hope you have very understanding neighbors!
I really enjoy the L2k. I picked it up used a couple years back. Unfortunately my active/passive switch crapped out on me so I only have active mode. For some, that wouldn't be an issue, but I almost always have it in passive.
Fortunately the new parts arrived today. I plan on having the wiring changed to the single outer coil/omg.
As much as the neighbor lets his feral children ride around the backyard on an atv with a loud muffler, I welcome the challenge!
Fortunately the new parts arrived today. I plan on having the wiring changed to the single outer coil/omg.
As much as the neighbor lets his feral children ride around the backyard on an atv with a loud muffler, I welcome the challenge!
Holy crap, 2 ML115s!!!
I bought an ML112 and an ML115 from Roger, but I haven't had the need to use them together as the ML115 covers 99% of the gigs I do. I love my Baer's
Still working on the new ML212 design. Still haven't found just the right woofer, but we are working with Eminence on that and have new samples on the way. I'm hoping we have the new design in production this summer.
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I posted this as a separate thread. However, maybe should have posted this here first. Curious about getting a Berg CN112 or repurchasing a Baer ML112. Here is what I posted, Need your help.....
"Kinda curious how these speakers would theoretically stack up to one another. The only thing I know for sure these two speakers have in common are about the same price new and used.
I've been seriouosly considering grabbing a (new or used) CN112. I'm not sure either way if this cab can handle reasonable stand alone use. I'd opt for the CN212. However, I really want something small and portable for rehearsals and the occasional pick up gig. My theory is that if need be, I'd spring for the other CN112 to build a pair when the time was right and if I "needed" it. I pretty sure a CN112 would be perfectly fine for rehearsal use. It's the unknown pick up gig I'd be worried about. The other thing that has drawn me to the CN series is its supposed to pretty darn close in tone profile to my beloved Berg AE410. I've demoed both the CN112 and 212. I know would dig either cab.
For full disclosure, I've owned the Baers in the past. I actually had a pair. However, in hindsight I prob really didn't gig them enough to get a full understanding of their tone profile. What I do recall is one was plenty loud and pretty darn capable of moderate stand alone use. To my ears, the ML112 was just too agressive. But here's where I get confused, quite a few TB'rs claim that the AE410 and new Berg CN112/212 are fairly similar to the ML112. So I'm at odds, should I give the Baer another shot? Have my ears and tone likings changed since the last time I owned the Baer. The reason I ask is cause I know the Baer can handle standalone duty. However I'm concerned if I'll be satisfied with the tone. Again, I really dig my AE410. I'm trying to recapture its tone in a smaller package.
So the question is, buy the CN112 and gamble on its standalone capability -or- get the Baer and take the gamble on tone. Also, I'm NOT replacing my AE410!! Just looking to add a 112 for times when I don't need my 410. Thanks!"
"Kinda curious how these speakers would theoretically stack up to one another. The only thing I know for sure these two speakers have in common are about the same price new and used.
I've been seriouosly considering grabbing a (new or used) CN112. I'm not sure either way if this cab can handle reasonable stand alone use. I'd opt for the CN212. However, I really want something small and portable for rehearsals and the occasional pick up gig. My theory is that if need be, I'd spring for the other CN112 to build a pair when the time was right and if I "needed" it. I pretty sure a CN112 would be perfectly fine for rehearsal use. It's the unknown pick up gig I'd be worried about. The other thing that has drawn me to the CN series is its supposed to pretty darn close in tone profile to my beloved Berg AE410. I've demoed both the CN112 and 212. I know would dig either cab.
For full disclosure, I've owned the Baers in the past. I actually had a pair. However, in hindsight I prob really didn't gig them enough to get a full understanding of their tone profile. What I do recall is one was plenty loud and pretty darn capable of moderate stand alone use. To my ears, the ML112 was just too agressive. But here's where I get confused, quite a few TB'rs claim that the AE410 and new Berg CN112/212 are fairly similar to the ML112. So I'm at odds, should I give the Baer another shot? Have my ears and tone likings changed since the last time I owned the Baer. The reason I ask is cause I know the Baer can handle standalone duty. However I'm concerned if I'll be satisfied with the tone. Again, I really dig my AE410. I'm trying to recapture its tone in a smaller package.
So the question is, buy the CN112 and gamble on its standalone capability -or- get the Baer and take the gamble on tone. Also, I'm NOT replacing my AE410!! Just looking to add a 112 for times when I don't need my 410. Thanks!"
Can't comment on the CN112, but everything Jim makes is certainly first class, for sure. Regarding the ML112, I believe you had an earlier Series I, which had some more pronounced upper mids (ie. leaner lows), than the newer Series II cabs which have a different woofer with a bit fuller low end. Bigger low means the low to mid balance shifts slightly towards the low end. The new woofer will also handle more power in the low frequencies. Honestly, I always think the term "aggressive" is just due to people's perceptions upon hearing their upper mids being prominent for the first time and the cabs admittedly can require some changes in technique, or amp settings for some players to wring the most out of them. The ML's were designed for live use. Upper mids are a frequency band that is crucial for on stage definition. Trouble is, these frequencies also get eaten up within the rest of the music and crowd noise. So, while a traditional cab will sound smoother and more pleasant on it's own, they won't necessarily have the upper mid presence and dispersion of the ML cabs onstage. If I had to guess, I would say the CN112 is most likely a "smoother" sounding cabinet, that will of course, have a bit more "air" up top due to the tweeter.
The cabs remind me a lot of a P-Bass with a maple fretboard. The sound of these basses is something I wouldn't call pretty when playing on its own, but I have to admit they just sound awesome in the mix. Like the ML cabs, the P-Bass has a strong upper mid presence that really defines the instrument.
Agreed. The AE410 I use also has some prominent upper mid range hype. So I'm wondering if my ears have now adjusted a bit to what I need on stage. . With the older s1's, I never felt like I needed more booty. In fact, I thought the bottom end on that cab was perfect.
Well, being both a Berg and Baer fanboy, I agree with everything Roger said. In my direct comparison of the series 1/2, I found the series 2 to be more balanced and just a refinement of the series 1. IMO you can get the Series 2 to sound like Series 1 with a bump of the upper mids, but with a bit of added low end extension, which is a plus IMO. If you thought the Series 1 low end was perfect, I don't think you would be disappointed with the Series 2. The added low end does not make in boomy at all, it just adds a bit more heft and oomph in all the right places. This is especially good if you plan to use a single ML112. I, for one, have never run a series 1 or 2 to fart stage, but it would be more likely to happen if your pushing a single cab to its limits. If you are close to those limits the series 2 is just going to be able to take more and sound fuller doing it, IMO. If you, or anyone, is pushing two ML112s (either series 1 or series 2) to their limits, I don't want to be listening (well at least not without protection).
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So whats the deal with the Valkyrie?.. is it not being made any longer? I think someone said that
Posted in your other thread; thought it might also help some folks here as well. I (coincidentally) echoed some of what Roger touched on but have direct experience with the CN as well.
I think most players that've owned the CN and ML 12s (raises hand) would agree that they're both in the same tonal family. Out of this group, we'll each love one and like the other. I feel we often overlook the other variables when chiming in on "best". The player's preferred amp, instrument and style(s)/technique will be huge factors in what comes out of the cab... I know, stating the obvious here but this will matter most in qualifying an opinion/experience to draw from.
On to my $.02...
ML112: Very articulate and touch sensitive, possibly to a fault for some. Your technique has to be on point as it's a bit unforgiving here; more like a studio monitor/PA speaker. The plus is that is forces you to clean-up your technique (both hands). Once you've adjusted, it can be smooth or break-up and grind with just your right hand attack. You will not have a problem hearing every note clearly... which depending on the genre of music might be a bad thing. If you play instruments with both active and passive electronics, I'd give the ML the nod. Two points of mention when doing your own demo: as a stand-alone (practicing, etc.) it's sound isn't pretty and possibly another turn-off for some. Put on a backing track or play-over... LIGHTBULB! (second) The broken-in sound is quite a bit different (in a good way) over the CN, you'll need adequate volume/use before passing judgement on how good it is (or isn't for you).
CN112: Smoother and blends slightly better in a live mix. Handles transients and subtleties very well but without the strong emphasis. Mids are perceived as very balanced and even. I feel it's just as strong in the upper-mids as the ML but the tweeter's extension detracts and smooths the perceived spike over the ML. Good low end extension that gets better after break-in but is a touch less than the ML (no 5-string, no worries). If you generally prefer flats, nickels and/or passive instruments the CN is probably the one that'll do it for you. If you have the tweeter on you AE up past 9'oclock, you're going to want what it does in the CN as well. Lastly, it tends to play nicer with a wider range of amps, the ML is very finicky here.
There's a good deal on one of each (used) in the FS Forum. If reasonable, buy them both and flip the "wrong one" (for you).
PS: IMO/IME, if going with a pair the MLs will beat up the CN stack and take it's lunch money.
