Nice post. I'll just add that when you stack the s15x-d on top of the s15-d, it REALLY is a nice sounding rig (for all the reasons you mention above), and the coupling, etc. results in a significant increase in the deeper bass. To me, that stack was the 'top of the line' in small, loud, boutique cabs 10 years ago or so. Lot's of other stuff has come along that is lighter, louder, etc., but that stack, which hasn't been updated in many, many years (maybe 15?) still holds its own quite nicely.
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Bag End S15-D
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Nice post. I'll just add that when you stack the s15x-d on top of the s15-d, it REALLY is a nice sounding rig (for all the reasons you mention above), and the coupling, etc. results in a significant increase in the deeper bass. To me, that stack was the 'top of the line' in small, loud, boutique cabs 10 years ago or so. Lot's of other stuff has come along that is lighter, louder, etc., but that stack, which hasn't been updated in many, many years (maybe 15?) still holds its own quite nicely.
I know you're talking stack here, but as a standalone what is better than the S15D considering:
-price
-size
-weight
-volume
I have a suspicion you might mention the UL-310, but though it is only a little heavier, its much more expensive and quite a bit larger.
Perhaps the schroeder 1212L is a contender too.
Just mentioning this as you stated "Lot's of other stuff has come along that is lighter, louder, etc."
This was kinda my point. I've owned the 1212R and while it is hella loud it is a bit bigger than a compact 15. Also in some rooms the nasal midrange was a bit much for me while in other rooms it sounded awesome. A compact 15 will have some of that nasaliness which will help it cut through but won't be so over the top as the Schro which stuffs 2 drivers into a very small box.
To be honest I am a little concerned about this too. I have owned the 1210R and found the mids to be too much (ie where are the lows?).
What I am reading is that the S15D has pronounced mids too. Honestly, I dont think I'll *really* know until I hear it.
True - You wont know till you try it but I've heard the S15 many times and own a cab of similar dimensions. The forward mids are there but not so much as the Schroes. With the 1212 I found it impossible to EQ those mids out but the 15 is more controllable.
Mids are very present but well balanced, unlike many 12's in my opinion. You hear the note well, but it still retains the heft of a 15". Don't get hung up on loss of lows. You may notice it, but then you will likely not really miss it. Also easier to eq without dealing with woofiness or mudiness.
I guess I'll soon find out!
I just placed an order for a brand new Bag End S15D!
I bought it from http://www.doublebassworkshop.com
The cost was $350usd. Shipped to Canada $395 total (he knocked off $25 off the shipping instead of lowering the value for customs).
I was looking at getting one used for $300, but for $50 more I thought I might as well get a new one with absolutely no wear.
Can't wait to get it!
I just placed an order for a brand new Bag End S15D!
I bought it from http://www.doublebassworkshop.com
The cost was $350usd. Shipped to Canada $395 total (he knocked off $25 off the shipping instead of lowering the value for customs).
I was looking at getting one used for $300, but for $50 more I thought I might as well get a new one with absolutely no wear.
Can't wait to get it!
I guess I'll soon find out!
I just placed an order for a brand new Bag End S15D!
I bought it from http://www.doublebassworkshop.com
The cost was $350usd. Shipped to Canada $395 total (he knocked off $25 off the shipping instead of lowering the value for customs).
I was looking at getting one used for $300, but for $50 more I thought I might as well get a new one with absolutely no wear.
Can't wait to get it!
That's a great price. Do you know what the list price is on Bag End at any of the few dealers who get them? There was a used one, in good shape, being sold on consignment for $600 Canadian. It sold too.
Let us know what that cabinet ends up costing you in Canadian funds once you've paid for the taxes and any other charges, will you? Enquiring Canadians would like to know.
They are an excellent sounding cabinet. Great efficiency too.
Actually, the Epi112UL and 210UL will IME and EIMO put out about the same volume as a single s15d, as will the EA Wizzy (for old school no tweeter tone) and the wonderful EA NL-210. Also, the Accugroove Tri 112 puts out quite a lot of sound, and is kind of in-between old school and modern sounding.
The Schroeder 1212L would be a contender... MUCH more sound than any of the above, and somewhat similar mid-punch to the SD15 with a treble response not so different from the x version.
Again, I wasn't doggin' the Bag 15's at all, and I could easily still be gigging with that stack.... and I agree for price/size/weight, they are in the running with all of the above stuff.
I think you will like that cab, and again, eventually putting an sdx-15 on top is one HECK of a rig. Enjoy!!!!!
That sounds great. So it should come in at $450 Canadian. When I mentioned the high list prices I meant list prices in Canadian stores, and no discounts available.
It's commendable he wouldn't lie about the actual cost to lower GST. These "minor" illegal things can come back on both of you in the end.
You should love the cabinet. Let us know as soon as you fire it up.
Chuck Levin's was $345 but since Henry at doublebassworkshop.com knocked $25 off shipping it made him cheaper. I didnt do a huge search but $345, 350, 371, 399 were the prices I've seen.
I asked Henry if he could help me by lowering the value to $100 on the customs forms to pay less tax/duties at the border. He said he couldnt do that, but he offered to knock $25 off the shipping price for me.
The other advantage over Levin's is that Henry agreed to ship USPS, which means no $48 brokerage fees from Fedex/ups.
$400cdn ($350USD) is about $50 in GST/PST
Hmmm... I'm a little surprised that a wizzy would be about equal in volume to a BE S15D. One is a 15 one is a 12, plus being that the BE has more internal volume I thought it would be louder.
As you may know I have a wizzy (actually 2) and though it does get loud, its still only a single 12 and as such has that "small cab sound" if that makes sense.
I find the internal volume really is a strong indicator about the volume/tone characteristics of a cab...
UL-112 > 16.5" H x 19.5" W x 16.25" D = 5309 cubic inches
wizzy > 17x 17x12.5 = 3613
s15d > 18.5 x 18.5 x 15.5 = 5305
My math is lousy but I'm assuming the UL-112 will sound deeper than the s15d given that the internal vol. is almost identical, but because one is a 15 it requires more internal vol. to achieve the same lowend. Hope that makes sense.
Still though since the BE is a 15 shouldnt it be louder than the ul-112 (but just not as low)? My understanding is that speaker surface area is the key to the amount of vol. a driver will produce.
Usually I'm buying used from the US so paying taxes on something that has already had taxes paid on irks me. In this case its new so that's fair.
If memory serves, there is a dealer in Edmonton which sells a new BE S15D for over $700 (+ taxes and shipping). After I saw that I kinda gave up hope finding one in Canada for a reasonable price.
I'm surely no expert at the above. I've been quite surprised how loud the Wizzy's go (although they aren't really my tone), and also the 112UL... and for that matter, the s15d!!! I would think there might be more apparant volume to the s15d over the ul112, due to the more mid voicing of the s15d.... however, they are all very different sounding. I think you will like the Bag End. I remember having a Bag End cab WAY back in the day when they sold empty boxes... I stuffed a JBL 15 in there and it really was amazing for its size... especially in the 70's, when everything else was huge. I used the d and dx stack in the early 90's and really enjoyed it... powered it with a Walter Woods, and then an Eden400... nice tone.
Anyway, I again think you will like the cab. I'll be curious to see how a single Wizzy matches up to the s15d... I'll watch for your post/review.
Yes, exactly the prices I was coming up with. Thanks.
By the way, how is the weather there now? I lived there until 1985. I've never seen such wild weather as you've been having except for one big hurricane in the 60s.
I'm fairly certain I'll like it too. I'm really hoping it will be my single standalone cab solution. With thanks to all the helpful people here at TB of course!
The weather we've been having has been crazy lately. Three major storms in one week. Wind at 100 km/h +. Power outages everywhere... 700,000 people in Seattle/Oregon. Not so bad in the last week though.
We never get weather like this. Except of course the rain, but heck we live in a rain forest (Great Bear Forest) so that's to be expected.
Vegan!!! You are the man! I am so glad you are going for the S15-D, to the point you went for the new one! You will love the cab- it is everything you would want from a rock bass cabinet!
