It has a great headphone jack and mixes your IPOD as well. It would be nice if they would spring for a QSC subwoofer.
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It has a great headphone jack and mixes your IPOD as well. It would be nice if they would spring for a QSC subwoofer.
I use the noble di and love it. It's a bit on the pricey side though. Good iem are also essential if not brining a cab to use as a monitor
I use a zoom B3. Yu can get the sans amp BDI but it has the mid range adjustment as well. I use this straight to our board. Now in your setup you will need subs out front. If you don't have those you will need your amp as well.
I'm having a hard time believing a guitarist would go along with this, he would at least have a pod, or multi pedal with a DI. Someone tried to do that to me at a party cause they didn't like the 410 cabinet that was provided (someone else's) The PA speakers were about 8ft in front of the stage, the monitors were set up mostly for vocals, everyone else had an amp, I couldn't hear myself at all, I pretty much refused to play till I was given some better options
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How big is the cheque? If there is a definite band leader and he/she insists on this setup, is happy with the sound, and you feel you are being well compensated, maybe just ask "Mind if I try using a DI?" I doubt they'll kick up much fuss over a DI or pre.
I've done it with a good system a couple of times. One time it sounded great, another time with another foh guy it sucked pretty bad. A little stage amp can help augment a dinky PA.
I've done a lot of running my main sound from in ears over the years, and my best results were running my rack mounted effects through the monitor desk, then back to my ears. Lots of good preamps out there, but I like the sans amp rbi, where I run a dbx160a compressor through its effects loop. That goes to the desk then back to my ears. I'd suggest a good set of molded in ears, with a minimum of three drivers per ear. I am partial to 1964 ears, but there are a lot of great buds out there to choose from.when running this rig, I often run an effected line to an amp on stage as well, but often I like the sound I'm getting from this rig to my ears better than the backline that's provided at some gigs.
Edited to say if you want a little ambient sound in molded ears, you just turn them a touch, cracking the seal if you will, at the expense of some low end. The perk is with sealed ears, you don't have to have them blaring, you set the level regardless of that heavy hitting drummer or not, and regardless of where you roam on stage, you have the same mix. No more losing your rig when you go to the other side of the stage, plus no time delay if you are away from your sound source a bit.
Edited to say if you want a little ambient sound in molded ears, you just turn them a touch, cracking the seal if you will, at the expense of some low end. The perk is with sealed ears, you don't have to have them blaring, you set the level regardless of that heavy hitting drummer or not, and regardless of where you roam on stage, you have the same mix. No more losing your rig when you go to the other side of the stage, plus no time delay if you are away from your sound source a bit.
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I have done it all different ways.
If you hate the tone of the mixer and mains, I would compromise and bring your cab and amp, but do a line out from your amp to the mixer so you can send your preamped tone to their mixer for the sake of their mix and monitors (if any).
I do think they are amiss to just tell you which equipment to bring. I have long since learned you have to ask permission of the musicians to do most things that involve gear or you get push back like you are giving.
But compromising, saying you don't mind the haulage of your own gear, and that sending a line out to their mixer will still get them an even mix. Also, if they don't have a subwoofer then you can argue that their mains can't handle the lows well enough so you need your cabinet to create tone across a greater frequent=cy response range.
Just make darn sure they aren't doing this mixer only position because you play too loud and won't turn down. I have seen band leaders insist on mixer only equipment when they have someone who just won't turn down their instrument. Listen to their feedback on how loud you play if that is even an issue.
If you hate the tone of the mixer and mains, I would compromise and bring your cab and amp, but do a line out from your amp to the mixer so you can send your preamped tone to their mixer for the sake of their mix and monitors (if any).
I do think they are amiss to just tell you which equipment to bring. I have long since learned you have to ask permission of the musicians to do most things that involve gear or you get push back like you are giving.
But compromising, saying you don't mind the haulage of your own gear, and that sending a line out to their mixer will still get them an even mix. Also, if they don't have a subwoofer then you can argue that their mains can't handle the lows well enough so you need your cabinet to create tone across a greater frequent=cy response range.
Just make darn sure they aren't doing this mixer only position because you play too loud and won't turn down. I have seen band leaders insist on mixer only equipment when they have someone who just won't turn down their instrument. Listen to their feedback on how loud you play if that is even an issue.
Can you guys please elaborate on your responses? This thread has got me wondering if the amps I've acquired this year in preparation for some gigging has been a waste
I'd try it and work hard to realize their goal with my Zoom B3. And my smoothie comp.
Personally, I think all the great gear in the world, (and we're all really into our rigs) can add up to unreasonable stage volume and the inevitable volume war. And that's pretty much the end of good sound in the room. Guitars are usually, but not always the culprits. Once things get loud, everyone reaches for their volume knob, just to hear.
Can your drummer play at reasonable levels? Because acoustic drums pretty much set the level. I had a gig where the drummer just didn't show. So we went on and played without him. Best sound ever. And one of the better gigs, once we were a tune or two into it. Super positive feedback. The much lower stage volume just made it so much easier on everybody. (And the missing drummer is a great player, I'd always rather have him than not)
I'd get behind the ampless thing just to have a chance at a controlled, balanced stage volume that wasn't at odds with FOH. I played half a set one night with my amp muted. Since monitors and mains were doing a great job, I didn't even realize I'd forgotten to un-mute after tuning. My sound was going to the board through my MXR M-80 bass di +. That got me thinking.
This totally depends on FOH and a good monitor mix. A couple three ways on sticks isn't going to get it except at the lowest volumes. I've heard house PA's that made mud of the bass, and once taken out of the FOH, my bass sounded better, and carried the room with just my fEarful. And since a FOH was less congested, it sounded better too. Some rooms don't have PA.
Some bands do a great job playing at appropriate volumes for the room with their backline and a light PA handling just vocals. But mostly, that's hit and miss. Over here, it's all beaming guitar amp, over there it's kind of keyboards, and nowhere are the vocals front and center and clear.
If you can deliver the goods to the audience without a trailer full of expensive amps, just walk in with your board and bass, why not? Give a shot.
Personally, I think all the great gear in the world, (and we're all really into our rigs) can add up to unreasonable stage volume and the inevitable volume war. And that's pretty much the end of good sound in the room. Guitars are usually, but not always the culprits. Once things get loud, everyone reaches for their volume knob, just to hear.
Can your drummer play at reasonable levels? Because acoustic drums pretty much set the level. I had a gig where the drummer just didn't show. So we went on and played without him. Best sound ever. And one of the better gigs, once we were a tune or two into it. Super positive feedback. The much lower stage volume just made it so much easier on everybody. (And the missing drummer is a great player, I'd always rather have him than not)
I'd get behind the ampless thing just to have a chance at a controlled, balanced stage volume that wasn't at odds with FOH. I played half a set one night with my amp muted. Since monitors and mains were doing a great job, I didn't even realize I'd forgotten to un-mute after tuning. My sound was going to the board through my MXR M-80 bass di +. That got me thinking.
This totally depends on FOH and a good monitor mix. A couple three ways on sticks isn't going to get it except at the lowest volumes. I've heard house PA's that made mud of the bass, and once taken out of the FOH, my bass sounded better, and carried the room with just my fEarful. And since a FOH was less congested, it sounded better too. Some rooms don't have PA.
Some bands do a great job playing at appropriate volumes for the room with their backline and a light PA handling just vocals. But mostly, that's hit and miss. Over here, it's all beaming guitar amp, over there it's kind of keyboards, and nowhere are the vocals front and center and clear.
If you can deliver the goods to the audience without a trailer full of expensive amps, just walk in with your board and bass, why not? Give a shot.
I have the MXR M80 and the Darkglass B7K. Both are great choices as are the Tech21. Maybe you could use one of these Tech21 Flyrigh, so you only bring one pedal, or even a Bass multi effect with a cab sim ?
No, they probably have not been a waste. I like using amps live, at a reasonable level with PA support. I've played maybe 3 out of hundreds of shows where the house PA and sound guy were good enough for straight to board, and I'd still rather have amps for stage sound.Can you guys please elaborate on your responses? This thread has got me wondering if the amps I've acquired this year in preparation for some gigging has been a waste
The only full bands I've ever seen doing the everyone straight to PA with their OWN PA sounded very undynamic and sterile. Give me guitarists with amps AND the musical sense to set a proper volume.
No, your amps have not been a waste. While there are some bands that do the ampless thing, most bands still use amps, even if they don't actually have to, and chances are you won't be in that band forever. And I hate not using an amp as I don't like IEM's or monitors to listen to bass out of.
That said, if a band decides to be ampless and it pays enough, I would go ampless too, provided their PA was worth a crap for doing it. But I would absolutely bring my own DI that gets the sound -I- like in the PA.
That said, if a band decides to be ampless and it pays enough, I would go ampless too, provided their PA was worth a crap for doing it. But I would absolutely bring my own DI that gets the sound -I- like in the PA.
Try bring your amp and DI it too the mixer, mby it helps. Also you can arrange for a meeting with the band and try get the drummer fired!!
Use the appropriate DI for whatever sound you want and save your back, it will sound fine.
90% of the people you play for will never notice your awesome tone anyway.
They are just listening to a band.
90% of the people you play for will never notice your awesome tone anyway.
They are just listening to a band.
