Barefaced 610 booming issue

[rogypop]

No, I get you, I think it's low mids so I'm looking for a freq cut

I intentionally designed some cabs with rich upper bass, while they sat perfectly in the mix outdoors and in some rooms, in other rooms they were a muddy mess without heavy eq correction. Its just the nature of the beast.

 

[smokinjoe]

I play through a BB2 and use a Whirlwind Bass 10 for difficult rooms. Works great!

 

[Nevada Pete]

The cab is ported beneath and Alex himself recommends plugging it with shirts or socks for more punch.

I know some rooms tend to resonate notes on certain cabs. It just seems like this cab has the issue almost everywhere.

HPF seems like a good idea, but won't that hurt the "non-resonating" notes?

Cheers

No. Not if you use it right.

 

[Tim1]

I still find this mention of boominess with the Six 10 very surprising. Normally it comes from room resonances but the OP says it happens in different rooms and is not there with other cabs. It is simply not an issue at all with mine, which I have used in a variety of rooms and with tube and solid state heads. The bass is tight and satisfying, easy to hear on stage - in fact I even boost it with the Aguilar DB751 without any issues. I have an HPF on my subway 800+ but have never needed to use it with this cab. IME it is simply not a boomy cabinet, but as I stated earlier it responds well to any eq'ing you throw at it. Maybe a little more time playing with the Ampeg eq would benefit??

 

[Lowendtech]

+1 to the Broughton HPF (Or the H/LPF or the always on HPF or the Reasonant Freq EQ, which is my personal choice)

The amps damping factor might have a play in this issue. Just another reason that I love the Mesa WD800 as the damping is adjustable.

 

[Balog]

HPF eh? Oh @Stumbo ...

 

[Blind owl bass]

You need notch filter, IMHO.

HPF would be helpful too...

 

[Jim Carr]

HPF (fdeck 3.0 is my choice), boost upper mid and highs, cut bass, and less gain if needed. Rounds wounds may help. Get a friend to play or wireless to monitor sound check.

 

[Downunderwonder]

It's the room that booms. Down load your note frequency chart. Find which notes boom the worst.

Then it gets tricky. The fundamental itself may not be the actual boom. This is how we cop the blame all the time. Have the guitar play a heavy low root note of the wolf notes you suspect. If they boom also the actual resonance is your 1st harmonic. Set your parametric EQ on those and HPF the guitar on the board.

 

[Lowendtech]

It's the room that booms. Down load your note frequency chart. Find which notes boom the worst.

Then it gets tricky. The fundamental itself may not be the actual boom. This is how we cop the blame all the time. Have the guitar play a heavy low root note of the wolf notes you suspect. If they boom also the actual resonance is your 1st harmonic. Set your parametric EQ on those and HPF the guitar on the board.

That’s good advice, there.

 

[chris_b]

I think I'll look for an EQ pedal with dialable frequency to cut back the problem frequencies. Do you guys recommend any HPF?

I'd email Barefaced before you start spending money on this.

 

[Balog]

I'd email Barefaced before you start spending money on this.

Regardless of this particular issue with this particular cab, a good HPF is always a handy tool to have in your kit.

 

[kringle77]

I owned and gigged that cab as well ad a pair of the 2x10's. There is a mid bass bump in the frequency response. Unfortunately, it is up higher in the low mids than I would have liked. It created priblems for me too. The 610 more so. A hp filter won't help. Cut frequencies around 200hz to 250hz. A hump at around 150hz wouldnt have been so bad.

 

[Al Kraft]

Fdeck's HPF pedal is adjustable. The 30 hz is always on, but you can adjust it higher if you want. Helpful for finding the frequency that is causing the " boom ".

I own the Fdeck HPF-Pre Series 3. It has two filters, one fixed and the other variable that roll off at 12 dB/octave. The fixed filter is set at 35 Hz on the low end for a 24dB/ocatve reduction with the varible filter at its lowest setting (also 35 Hz). You can then dial the variable filter's roll-off point to start anywhere bewteen 35 Hz and 140 Hz to do fine tuning for your situation/desired voicing. It is a very useful tool in acoustically challenging rooms.

 

[jj4001]

I play at this one venue fairly often where my cab always produced a wolf note when I'd play an A. Adding an Fdeck Series 3 has eliminated the problem. At soundcheck I just take a few seconds to find the spot where I can keep as much low end as possible while still keeping those A notes the same volume as everything else. I'm always wondering how the hell did I used to live without this thing.

 

[-Asdfgh-]

The cab is ported beneath and Alex himself recommends plugging it with shirts or socks for more punch.

I know some rooms tend to resonate notes on certain cabs. It just seems like this cab has the issue almost everywhere.

HPF seems like a good idea, but won't that hurt the "non-resonating" notes?

Cheers

Which fabric is best for the socks for the best tone?

 

[Rune Bivrin]

Which fabric is best for the socks for the best tone?

You're doing it wrong!
The question is supposed to be: Which sock is best for metal?

 

[DJ Bebop]

You're doing it wrong!
The question is supposed to be: Which sock is best for metal?

 

[jazzyvee]

I own barefaced cabs and the only times I have found them to be too boomy is when on a hollow stages that flex when you move around on them. Usually the bass drum is boomy too in those circumstances. The more solid topped less flexible hollow stages don't seem to accentuate the boominess as much. I guess generally the room dimensions and composition will have an effect too.
I bought some rubber outdoor playground tiles that I put under the cabs to reduce the coupling to the floor and they work well.
Pretty cheap from a DIY shop.

 

[Tim1]

I owned and gigged that cab as well ad a pair of the 2x10's. There is a mid bass bump in the frequency response. Unfortunately, it is up higher in the low mids than I would have liked. It created priblems for me too. The 610 more so. A hp filter won't help. Cut frequencies around 200hz to 250hz. A hump at around 150hz wouldnt have been so bad.

I hadn't thought about this but you may be correct, however bear in mid that the cabinet is designed to have a specific character and baked in tone so this may be part of it. In my case I love this character as do my band mates, in fact I just received a BB2 and I realized that the first thing I did with it was to tweak the amp to make it sound as close as possible to the Six 10. Certainly I have never found my any of my three 10 cabinets to be boomy - loud yes, but not boomy.