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Barefaced 610 booming issue

uncle woody

uncle woody

Dec 7, 2008
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Hi

I bought a barefaced 610 and really like it isolated.

In some rooms however there are certain notes that just "boom". As in, are so much louder in some bass frequency. They stand out in the music and it distracts alot. In some rooms it's more than others.

I don't have this issue with other cabs (210AV, PH610).

I've tried closing the port, EQ and I bought a compressor but I'm afraid the issue has to do with cab design.

Any tips? I really want to love this cab.
I use an ampeg svt reissue.

Cheers
 
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I run a Six 10 (Four 10 plus Two 10 ) regularly and have never had this issue or even a hint of it with either valve or solid state heads. I have found it to be very responsive to eq. I am very familiar with the 210av as I used to own two and imo the six 10 has way more bottom end.
 
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My guess is it relates to cab design primarily in that the cab actually has useful response at the low frequencies where the booming occurs. Booming is generally a function of room dimensions, along with materials in/on the floor, ceiling, and walls. It can also be influenced to a degree by cab placement. A parametric EQ is probably a good approach to tame it down.
 
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An HPF could help. I use one all the time, but it really shines with my Ampeg 610 HLF (known for being boomy).

Also, some sort of device that decouples the csb from the stage could help. There are factory made options and "old tricks" as well.

But here's the thing. Different cabs react to different environments in different ways. So it is not a "design flaw" of that cab. You have to EQ every cab (be it bass or PA) to every room. Or, sometimes, the stage itself has a resonant frequency. And if your cab happens to vibrate on the outside more, or couple with the stage better (again, not design flaws) it will accentuate that frequency.

You play some challenging rooms with a fantastic cab. Your choice to make is whether or not you want to work around the rooms with that cab (HPF or decoupling or EQ) or simply take cabs that don't argue with those rooms.
 
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The cab is ported beneath and Alex himself recommends plugging it with shirts or socks for more punch.

I know some rooms tend to resonate notes on certain cabs. It just seems like this cab has the issue almost everywhere.

HPF seems like a good idea, but won't that hurt the "non-resonating" notes?

Cheers
 
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uncle woody said:
The cab is ported beneath and Alex himself recommends plugging it with shirts or socks for more punch.

I know some rooms tend to resonate notes on certain cabs. It just seems like this cab has the issue almost everywhere.

HPF seems like a good idea, but won't that hurt the "non-resonating" notes?

Cheers
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Well shows what I know. I was told not to plug it because it's not a port. I'll change my post.

But yes a High Pass Filter will clean up that boominess. It's worth a shot!
 
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Yeah, there's some talk about it in the Barefaced thread. It's buried deep in the thread though.

I think I'll look for an EQ pedal with dialable frequency to cut back the problem frequencies. Do you guys recommend any HPF?
 
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uncle woody said:
Yeah, there's some talk about it in the Barefaced thread. It's buried deep in the thread though.

I think I'll look for an EQ pedal with dialable frequency to cut back the problem frequencies. Do you guys recommend any HPF?
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Yes. Yes. And a thousand times yes.

No, an HPF will not "hurt" any frequencies. It simply chops off some sub lows you don't need anyway.
 
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uncle woody said:
Yeah, there's some talk about it in the Barefaced thread. It's buried deep in the thread though.

I think I'll look for an EQ pedal with dialable frequency to cut back the problem frequencies. Do you guys recommend any HPF?
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Broughton for the HPF. www.broughtonaudio.com

Just keep in mind an EQ does not do the same thing.
 
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Which notes resonate the most? If its bloooming the hpf would help as the "bloom" happens at or below 50hz, if it is boooming the problem is probably at 100hz and above, too high for hpf to be much useable, parametric eq with variable q would help in this scenario. Hope this helps, sorry for the lack of better words.
 
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How is your "muting" or "dampening" technique? Are you remembering to touch the unplayed strings (preferably at two different points) to stop them from ringing out with unwanted vibrations?
 
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rogypop said:
Which notes resonate the most? If its bloooming the hpf would help as the "bloom" happens at or below 50hz, if it is boooming the problem is probably at 100hz and above, too high for hpf to be much useable, parametric eq with variable q would help in this scenario. Hope this helps, sorry for the lack of better words.
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No, I get you, I think it's low mids so I'm looking for a freq cut
 
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uncle woody said:
No, I get you, I think it's low mids so I'm looking for a freq cut
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Than you need either notch filter...or parametric (not semi-parametric) EQ....or large graphic EQ (31 bands). The last option usually only comes in rack version...

Some (pre)amps feature (semi)parametric mids control which works as a notch filter when cutting. EBS MicroBass III comes to my mind at the moment...

The easiest (and costless) cure is to decrease volume in those rooms...
 
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