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Bass lessons from a guitar teacher?

Dedicated bass teachers at local music stores are very rare.
Reason? Very few bass students because every body wants to try guitar.
I attempted to teach bass, could not find bass students so I decided to teach
guitar. Only one bass student in 3 years.
A good guitar teacher can get you going just as well as a bass teacher.
 
Dedicated bass teachers at local music stores are very rare.
Reason? Very few bass students because every body wants to try guitar.
I attempted to teach bass, could not find bass students so I decided to teach
guitar. Only one bass student in 3 years.
A good guitar teacher can get you going just as well as a bass teacher.

The OP has a musical background or I would say you are right as a way to get started. He already knows how to read and knows theory. IMO he needs a bass player to get his technique and groove down. I cold called Doug Wimbish and he has been my teacher for 4 months now. Trust me when I tell you his knowledge of bass is more then useful!!!:bassist:
 
I believe it IS important from the beginning to develop the right technique. A lot of times, and for a lot of stuff, you may be able to just get by with a deficient technique that "works for you", but a few years down the road, if you start practicing more advanced and elaborate stuff (prog rock and metal, jazz, funk, fusion, improv., etc.), you will realize that your technique doesn't allow you to do it so easily and you'll have to rethink your whole technique and start over with a different approach to take your playing to the next level.
Something like that happened to me when I first learned to play bass: my teacher was an excellent upright player, but only a mediocre electric bass one(which I couldn't possibly know at that time). Although he taught me a lot of theory, sight reading, scales, etc, in an excellent way, he also made me develop some very bad habits, mainly on my right hand technique on the electric, which only after 3 years of studying and a change of teacher I realized that were flawed. So then I had to start over with a different (more appropriate technique) and it took me several months of intense work to be able to change it and get comfortable with the new technique.

And the problem is that this more appropriate technique, although it did improved my playing greatly, is not really that radically different from the first one I learned, and there are only subtle differences between both, which are not so obvious to anyone unless they are truly bass players, and not players from other instruments that happen to more less play the bass.
Also, I later realized that my older technique(with it's deficient string muting, wrong thumb placing and wrist angle, and free motion impediments) is something you can find very commonly amongst non professional/intermediate and amateur bass players, because a lot of them think is just like playing guitar but easier, so they don't take the time or interest to really find out and learn the correct way of playing bass. And the problem gets worse when this intermediate bass players start teaching bass to get a few extra bucks, so they spread this wrong knowledge and bad habits to a lot of new bass players.
Now, I'm not saying that you cannot find a musician that plays correctly several instruments, because I know a few that do( and there are also some pro bass players that also play guitar or keyboard at a very good level), but both of these scenarios are very rare to find, and there are far more teachers out there that have poor technique on the bass because their main instrument is a different one and they don't spend that much time developing their bass skills, so I would try to be careful to differentiate between each of these cases.

So my advice to you would be to save yourself some time (years), effort and money (on the long run), by learning the right technique from the beginning, doing some background check on your teacher prospects, and studying with a truly professional bass player and teacher, even if it costs more money or if it's farther away from where you live. In fact, there are even Skype lessons with a lot of truly great bass players out there, so really there's no excuse not to get a proper bass education...
Hope this helps.
 
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In my opinion it would really depend on how much of a passion the guitarist has for our instrument. I have met some guys who primarily played guitar that were excellent bassist! What I mean is that they could play. If I was going to get lessons from someone, they would have love the instrument and not just look at it as another potential source of income from teaching....
 
I've played in bands since the mid 70's ... I'd say in that time that maybe 1 out 20 guitarists I've known or worked with, could actually play bass pretty well ... mostly because they really loved music and stringed instruments in general ... so they actually took the time to really learn to play bass ... like a bassist would .!

if the guitar teacher fits into that category , it would be a fine place to start ... but like others have said , if he thinks he can play/teach bass just because he plays guitar ... Run ... Next ..!!
 
Why not try things out with the guy and see if it looks like he can help you get better?

It's not like you have to sign up for a year. And if you want to avoid the awkwardness if it doesn't work for you, just make up some excuse about how you don't have time. Teachers hear that stuff a lot.

Just because bass isn't his main thing doesn't automatically lead to him being an incompetent bass teacher, nor does it follow that because he can teach guitar, he can teach bass.

What you think you're going to get out of something isn't always what you do get and you can't know until you try. For me, I started out with a dedicated bass teacher, whose taste in music and approach to the bass's position in a band was very similar to mine. He was a great teacher, and for what I needed at the time, I learned a lot. He ended up moving away, so was replaced with a younger guy who plays guitar in a moderately successful tech-death metal band. This style of music and his approach couldn't be more different to mine (tech-death being very theory oriented, near zero groove, and with an emphasis on complexity and speed), so I immediately assumed he wasn't for me. But I gave it a few lessons, at least until I could find someone new. Much to my surprise, though, the total about face in approach immediately made me a better player. I went from refining the things I already naturally worked on to specifically attacking things that were way outside my comfort zone. For example, he showed me raking and sweeping techniques that immediately simplified a whole bunch of parts (Good Times Bad Times immediately comes to mind), and his approach to theory helped me understand some things with modes that I had struggled to wrap my head around.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that you can get a lot out of working with people who have different backgrounds and approaches, as long as you both keep an open mind and can work together...
 
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For a beginner, a guitar teacher is probably OK. Provided he lets the bass player play with his fingers and a pick so the student doesn't come out one-dimensional without making it his or her own choice.

But after you learn the basic notes, I think a bass only teacher is better. Bass uses different articulation than the guitar if you want to be funky. Also bass players can help the student understand their equipment better, do slapping, and emphasize the importance of groove and time in a way a guitar player can't.

I play both guitar and bass, so I am looking at this from a balanced perspective...
 
Here's what happened to me. Twenty years or so ago I tried to learn how to play guitar without taking lessons. Failed miserably. Five years later decided bass was the instrument for me but figured I need to take lessons. Found a bass teacher who was supposed to be a really good player. Hated him and I don't think he cared much for me. I know he was full of himself and didn't have any respect for me. Failed miserably at bass. I became convinced that I was musically ********.

Eight months ago I drug the bass and amp back out of the closet and started taking lessons from a guy that teaches both but is really a guitar player. I really gelled with him. Starting from very near zero, I have progressed faster than anyone including me thought possible. I have 30 songs and can play in front of people without being humiliated. That may not sound like much but it's pretty good for someone who is musically ********.

The point is, that at least for a beginner, finding someone who can make a beginner feel comfortable and explain things on a beginner level may be more important than the teacher being a bass virtuoso.

On the other hand if you already understand music, you may be better off with a specialist.
 
Maybe I should clarify: I am a beginner bass player but not a beginner musician…

Ok, based (no pun intended!) on all that, it sounds like you need someone who really knows their way around bass technique and forming good bass lines, as you've already got the theory background. that could be this guitar teacher—I've known some multi-instrumentalists who can slay on each instrument. Or not. Best of luck either way!
 
Here's what happened to me. Twenty years or so ago I tried to learn how to play guitar without taking lessons. Failed miserably. Five years later decided bass was the instrument for me but figured I need to take lessons. Found a bass teacher who was supposed to be a really good player. Hated him and I don't think he cared much for me. I know he was full of himself and didn't have any respect for me. Failed miserably at bass. I became convinced that I was musically ********.

Eight months ago I drug the bass and amp back out of the closet and started taking lessons from a guy that teaches both but is really a guitar player. I really gelled with him. Starting from very near zero, I have progressed faster than anyone including me thought possible. I have 30 songs and can play in front of people without being humiliated. That may not sound like much but it's pretty good for someone who is musically ********.

The point is, that at least for a beginner, finding someone who can make a beginner feel comfortable and explain things on a beginner level may be more important than the teacher being a bass virtuoso.

On the other hand if you already understand music, you may be better off with a specialist.
You make a good point that being a great player is not at all the same as being a great (or even acceptable) teacher. Glad things are working out for you.
 
it depends. if they're a good, trained musician, they'll be a much better teacher than someone who only plays the bass.

most of them are likely just guitarists that need more students, ill admit that- but there are some great teachers that get fantastic results for students playing an instrument that isint the teachers primary instrument.
 
Teachers vary, all with different pedagogy in place.Pedagogy is the art of teaching. Liking this thread as the study here should be music study with an emphasis certainly on how to play bass, how to learn to function as a bassist, and how to integrate music as a language to your bass skill when playing in an ensemble situation. Try different teachers until you find the good fit. There are many ways to teach and to study the instrument bass. My personal two cents would be to have you the student experiment on your own as much as possible. The one thing that drives me crazy is to have students of the instrument bass copying other bass players, without setting aside the goal to become a well rounded musician yourself. When yoiu get a balance of technique, theory, functionality, and vocabulary, the rest of the picture fits into place. The concepts of groove, support, foundation, dynamics, harmony, melody, song form, nuance, subtlety, scales, fretboard geography, all will come into play, aiding you in becoming a good player. Take time to discover your own gifts. Everyone is talented in their unique way. Embrace it, and use your special gift. Isn't it amazing how with so many bassists in the world, one can be recognized after a few notes. How does that happen? Timbre, one's sound is trully a recognizable component. Is your teacher working with you on how to help you with that? Note choices, vocabulary and creativity in composing basslines; is your teacher working with you on that? Some things to think about. When you have a good online teacher, or someone you visit in person, you recognize healthy chemistry when you experience it. Go for it, and when you find the right fit, don't it groove though!! Practice often. Leave a bass out in your apartment, or home. This will force you to play more often!!!