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Bass on "Fire" and "Purple Haze" ...

#21
Bob C said:
Yeah, this discussion doesn't really belong in the "Effects" forum anymore. But we can't let it go. It has prompted me to listen to a Hendrix CD and read up on Noel Redding online.
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It's a fine line. Since we discuss OD pedals in here, it seems appropriate to me to occasionally compare them to the pre sections/amps they are attempting to imitate. Especially given the context

Also I know Noel was kind of a hack and he just played what Jimi told him to, but that doesn't change the fact that his performances are the #1 reason I play bass today. When I first heard Are You Experienced (it was my parents copy) it was the basslines that stuck in my head, even with all that spectacular guitar stuff
 
#22
RCCollins said:
Also I know Noel was kind of a hack and he just played what Jimi told him to, but that doesn't change the fact that his performances are the #1 reason I play bass today. When I first heard Are You Experienced (it was my parents copy) it was the basslines that stuck in my head, even with all that spectacular guitar stuff
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Ironically enough this is what has drawn me into learning several of the songs. Ive just been playing for a little over two years and in the past two months been attending an open jam night on Sundays. Last Sunday I played Hey Joe and the guy on guitar asked what other Hendrix I knew ... since I didnt know anything else I got home that night and started listening on You Tube and was sold as "hey these are lines that I know I can learn" ...

Aaron
 
#23
lopxtc said:
Ironically enough this is what has drawn me into learning several of the songs. Ive just been playing for a little over two years and in the past two months been attending an open jam night on Sundays. Last Sunday I played Hey Joe and the guy on guitar asked what other Hendrix I knew ... since I didnt know anything else I got home that night and started listening on You Tube and was sold as "hey these are lines that I know I can learn" ...

Aaron
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Yes - and they WORK. There's just a touch of r&b to them, which of course it what makes them ROCK more than many "harder" (heavier/more difficult) bass lines
 
#24
RCCollins said:
It's a fine line. Since we discuss OD pedals in here, it seems appropriate to me to occasionally compare them to the pre sections/amps they are attempting to imitate. Especially given the context

Also I know Noel was kind of a hack and he just played what Jimi told him to, but that doesn't change the fact that his performances are the #1 reason I play bass today. When I first heard Are You Experienced (it was my parents copy) it was the basslines that stuck in my head, even with all that spectacular guitar stuff
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For some reason, it seems I remember reading or hearing that Jimi actually played some of the basslines himself. Not sure what songs, if any, he did and I couldn't tell you where I got this info so I could be totally wrong.
 
#25
Largedon said:
For some reason, it seems I remember reading or hearing that Jimi actually played some of the basslines himself. Not sure what songs, if any, he did and I couldn't tell you where I got this info so I could be totally wrong.
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yeah, but not until Electric Ladyland when him and Noel were on the outs.

He DID pretty much teach Noel to play the bass and show him what to play for every song, though... except maybe the ones Noel sang!
 
#26
Bob C said:
Also, to my surprize he always used Rotosound Swing Bass strings. Round wound, I guess
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Another case of misinformation about Rotos, usually by the artist himself (just like JPJ on the early LZ LPs)... a careful listen to tracks on Electric Ladyland, the bass "solo" on 1983 comes to mind, clearly the sound of flats. The link I posted above also mentions that he used LaBellas. It's never easy to dispute the written word, but let your ears decide...
 
#29
Comon guys get real ....sheesh...

to the OP go to the link with the pictures and scroll down to the last one.....

NOW your mission is to go out and get that Sunn rig he has with the 3 heads and 6 cabs ...stack em up just like in the pic turn volum knob to 10 and......

BURN DOWN THE HOUSE
WITH THE TOTALLY ACCURATE TONE. :bassist::hyper::ninja:

Let me stand next to your FIRE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....Capt Kirk
 
#30
xsubs said:
Another case of misinformation about Rotos, usually by the artist himself (just like JPJ on the early LZ LPs)... a careful listen to tracks on Electric Ladyland, the bass "solo" on 1983 comes to mind, clearly the sound of flats. The link I posted above also mentions that he used LaBellas. It's never easy to dispute the written word, but let your ears decide...
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you dont think theres a chance he used DIFFERENT STRINGS at various times, do you? Especially since this was still in the infancy of the instrument...
 
#31
i read in an interview that noel hated flatwounds, and did use roto rounds.

i agree with xsubs, jonesy used flats on those early zep albums. i think when he got his alembic, that's when he switched to rounds.

i'll bet that hendrix played bass on "1983", a p-bass with flats!
 
#32
Prof.Dr.Metz said:
i read in an interview that noel hated flatwounds, and did use roto rounds.

i agree with xsubs, jonesy used flats on those early zep albums. i think when he got his alembic, that's when he switched to rounds.

i'll bet that hendrix played bass on "1983", a p-bass with flats!
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electric ladyland is definitely the album where jimi started playing bass tracks, so you could certainly be right
 
#33
RCCollins said:
No, get an all-tube amp. If it's too heavy, hit the gym. A tube OD stompbox won't get you any closer than a tube pre in a hybrid amp.

Keep in mind that Noel's amp probably had a single volume control. OD city!

I know this is the fx forum, but AMP FIRST, PEDALS LATER! :hiding:
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Using a tube amp for overdrive is all well and good in the studio, but it can be a problem for the average gigging bassist. That's because it's really hard to maintain the same level of overdrive at a variety of volume levels. Back when I ran an SVT stack I loved larger gigs where I could get the power tubes nice and warm, i.e. right at the overdrive point. However I was disappointed in smaller/quieter situations because the amp was too clean.

So, what I do these days is use SansAmp preamps for overdrive. I'm not going to say they sound just as good as an old SVT run in the 'sweet spot', but the tone is plenty close enough for my ears, and I can maintain the same level of overdrive at any gig, whisper quiet or pants-flappin' loud.
 
#35
Fuzzbass said:
Using a tube amp for overdrive is all well and good in the studio, but it can be a problem for the average gigging bassist. That's because it's really hard to maintain the same level of overdrive at a variety of volume levels. Back when I ran an SVT stack I loved larger gigs where I could get the power tubes nice and warm, i.e. right at the overdrive point. However I was disappointed in smaller/quieter situations because the amp was too clean.

So, what I do these days is use SansAmp preamps for overdrive. I'm not going to say they sound just as good as an old SVT run in the 'sweet spot', but the tone is plenty close enough for my ears, and I can maintain the same level of overdrive at any gig, whisper quiet or pants-flappin' loud.
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granted, an SVT is overkill for most folks' gigs. Fortunately there are other tube amps available, some of which Noel actually used.
 

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