BASS PLAYER CRONOS-VENOM

[40Hz]

Seems like he's secretive about his gear

You get guys like that every now and then.

 

[rejb87]

I think it's just a comfort thing alot of time you can get some nasty fret buzz in the upper register and Crono's is singing and playing so he probably just didn't want a bunch of bum notes sounding out....who knows I actually did ask him on FB but he never answered

 

[ManicBass5]

I think it's just a comfort thing alot of time you can get some nasty fret buzz in the upper register and Crono's is singing and playing so he probably just didn't want a bunch of bum notes sounding out....who knows I actually did ask him on FB but he never answered

Good point.....maybe its just to help his concentration?!? Like one less thing.....Any teenie-tiny think that distractes me in practise really irritates)
Can't believe you asked him and he didn't say.....
(Got the impression from talk.bass that guys can talk about ++any++ aspect of guitar playing with #2 slices and relish dolloped on too He he)

 

[ManicBass5]

You get guys like that every now and then.

Think if I read right he was also producer and manager of his and other) bands so he liked to get really involved and have control?!?
Not that I blame him eXactly....

 

[ManicBass5]

Good point.....maybe its just to help his concentration?!? Like one less thing.....Any teenie-tiny think that distractes me in practise really irritates)
Can't believe you asked him and he didn't say.....
(Got the impression from talk.bass that guys can talk about ++any++ aspect of guitar playing with #2 slices and relish dolloped on too He he)

Just had a sudden flash from an older Kreator song where ventor played drums and did some vocals at same time@phew
That's cardio/coordinated eXtreme)

 

[40Hz]

Think if I read right he was also producer and manager of his and other) bands so he liked to get really involved and have control?!?
Not that I blame him eXactly....

I’ve generally found people in creative fields that act like that have a secret fear their creativity is a finite resource. And once they use a part of it to do something like design an effects signal chain, the think their total creativity is diminished and will one day run out. So they need to “protect” their works and “their” ideas.

I hear about people like this guy, and then I look at brilliant and artistic guys like Brian Eno or Tony Levin or Pino Pallidino or Vic Wooten who share everything they’ve come up with almost the minute they do. They’re generous to others with the gift of themselves.

They’re definitely not worried about people copping their rigs or ideas. When somebody clones them they don’t worry. They've already moved past what they’ve done today and are working toward their next new artistic iteration.

That’s part of the difference between the accomplished mechanic and the real artist and master. They don’t stand still or try to hold onto their past.

There's a story about a great Haoanese swordsman named Mitamoto Musashi;

“The seventeenth century may have been the golden age of samurai. Two men from that era stand out. One, Miyamato Musashi, wrote Go Rin No Sho, - The Book of Five Rings. Musashi, who died in 1645, was one of the best, if not the greatest, Japanese swordsman. From age 12 when he had his first fight, to his death from heart failure at age 60 he was not only undefeated – defeated swordsmen died – but in his last 10 fights never unsheathed his sword; his opponents simply bowed and left.”
​

Later in his career he became so accomplished that he stopped carrying steel swords and adopted two wooden swords as his only weapons. No one could stand against him.

He also broke away from the elaborate defenses taught to him when he learned the use of the samauri swords. Instead he opened himself up to what is usually translated from his book as:The Void. This is best described as an open empty abd natural mindfulness from which our talents and skills naturally emerge into our shared physical existence.

As he described it: Open on eight sides. None can oppose me.

His “open stance” lies at the core of several martial art disciplines.



I think that’s the best way to approach music or any other creative endeavor. Moving without clinging - and open on all eight sides.

 

[ManicBass5]

I’ve generally found people in creative fields that act like that have a secret fear their creativity is a finite resource. And once they use a part of it to do something like design an effects signal chain, the think their total creativity is diminished and will one day run out. So they need to “protect” their works and “their” ideas.

I hear about people like this guy, and then I look at brilliant and artistic guys like Brian Eno or Tony Levin or Pino Pallidino or Vic Wooten who share everything they’ve come up with almost the minute they do. They’re generous to others with the gift of themselves.

They’re definitely not worried about people copping their rigs or ideas. When somebody clones them they don’t worry. They've already moved past what they’ve done today and are working toward their next new artistic iteration.

That’s part of the difference between the accomplished mechanic and the real artist and master. They don’t stand still or try to hold onto their past.

There's a story about a great Haoanese swordsman named Mitamoto Musashi;

“The seventeenth century may have been the golden age of samurai. Two men from that era stand out. One, Miyamato Musashi, wrote Go Rin No Sho, - The Book of Five Rings. Musashi, who died in 1645, was one of the best, if not the greatest, Japanese swordsman. From age 12 when he had his first fight, to his death from heart failure at age 60 he was not only undefeated – defeated swordsmen died – but in his last 10 fights never unsheathed his sword; his opponents simply bowed and left.”
​

Later in his career he became so accomplished that he stopped carrying steel swords and adopted two wooden swords as his only weapons. No one could stand against him.

He also broke away from the elaborate defenses taught to him when he learned the use of the samauri swords. Instead he opened himself up to what is usually translated from his book as:The Void. This is best described as an open empty abd natural mindfulness from which our talents and skills naturally emerge into our shared physical existence.

As he described it: Open on eight sides. None can oppose me.

His “open stance” lies at the core of several martial art disciplines.

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I think that’s the best way to approach music or any other creative endeavor. Moving without clinging - and open on all eight sides.

Blimey that's getting philosophical.....
Yeah Cronos +Did+ definatly have his own unique energy & attitude to music in the 1980s) not sure about what he's like nowdays) which can't be copied cause its was his ....It was very refreshing where some Heavy metal was getting too serious and too deliberate contrived.....Cronos got openly mocked for "stripping it" back down to basics again!!
Some peeps saw his band as a joke too crude vearing into the rawer more punky sound!! I loved it when I was younger) still do....
Nature seems allow stillness But not much of a vacuum for long.....I'm learning ti-chi type stuff and emptyness "states" actually helps me learn more moves and more hand-prayers cause they "move" into the space that's been left open!
Think with faith&prayer ect creative is infinite-never ending.....
Obviously some creators Need to protect their ideas&inventions hence copyright stuff and coperate law ect)

 

[activa44]

I’ve generally found people in creative fields that act like that have a secret fear their creativity is a finite resource. And once they use a part of it to do something like design an effects signal chain, the think their total creativity is diminished and will one day run out. So they need to “protect” their works and “their” ideas.

I hear about people like this guy, and then I look at brilliant and artistic guys like Brian Eno or Tony Levin or Pino Pallidino or Vic Wooten who share everything they’ve come up with almost the minute they do. They’re generous to others with the gift of themselves.

They’re definitely not worried about people copping their rigs or ideas. When somebody clones them they don’t worry. They've already moved past what they’ve done today and are working toward their next new artistic iteration.

That’s part of the difference between the accomplished mechanic and the real artist and master. They don’t stand still or try to hold onto their past.

There's a story about a great Haoanese swordsman named Mitamoto Musashi;

“The seventeenth century may have been the golden age of samurai. Two men from that era stand out. One, Miyamato Musashi, wrote Go Rin No Sho, - The Book of Five Rings. Musashi, who died in 1645, was one of the best, if not the greatest, Japanese swordsman. From age 12 when he had his first fight, to his death from heart failure at age 60 he was not only undefeated – defeated swordsmen died – but in his last 10 fights never unsheathed his sword; his opponents simply bowed and left.”
​

Later in his career he became so accomplished that he stopped carrying steel swords and adopted two wooden swords as his only weapons. No one could stand against him.

He also broke away from the elaborate defenses taught to him when he learned the use of the samauri swords. Instead he opened himself up to what is usually translated from his book as:The Void. This is best described as an open empty abd natural mindfulness from which our talents and skills naturally emerge into our shared physical existence.

As he described it: Open on eight sides. None can oppose me.

His “open stance” lies at the core of several martial art disciplines.

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I think that’s the best way to approach music or any other creative endeavor. Moving without clinging - and open on all eight sides.

Very interesting story and analogy.
Indeed, Cronos had his best when he was younger...

Venom was really cool in their first two album's era, with all the singles they made in those days, as well, and all that... afterwards, they made At War With Satan which is nice, but not something you'd feel like revisiting quite often (early black metal wasn't a genre made for 20 minutes long opuses...)

Then Possessed which is more like their older stuff but, simply, ''lacks something''.

Afterwards all fell apart and became quite poopy. I'm sorry for him, but that's how it is.
Still, kudos for what he's done in his prime. He's one of my favourites (in that era) and quite an influence as well.

 

[40Hz]

Afterwards all fell apart and became quite poopy. I'm sorry for him, but that's how it is.

I feel sorry for him too. I take no joy in the watching the once mighty stumble or fall.

But his career isn’t the first to hit an artistic slump. Nor will his be the last. It’s an all too common tale in the arts.

I remember a scathing comment I read about Ernest Hemingway. His early literary brilliance and reputation eventually succumbed to self-posturing and alcoholism such that he became a caricature of his younger self.

The comment was: First comes the young master, followed closely by the old fraud.

I think the trick (as you get older you start thinking about these things) is something John Crowley alluded to in his novel Little Big. One of the characters in that story said (I’m paraphrasing) that as you progress through each of life's stages, certain things need to be relinquished. But if you’re smart, you’ll trade those old things for the gifts the next stage of life offers you. However, if you try to cling to those past things, you’ll end up getting nothing in exchange - and the things you’re clinging to will get taken away from you anyway.

I think there’s a lot of truth in that.

Like the Rod Stewart song says:

Once I was a young man.
And all I thought I had to do was smile.
​

Too bad he himself didn’t heed the wisdom in that song.

 

[activa44]

haha, you're right man!
It's awesome talking with you!

It seems like you read a lot.

 

[ManicBass5]

Very interesting story and analogy.
Indeed, Cronos had his best when he was younger...

Venom was really cool in their first two album's era, with all the singles they made in those days, as well, and all that... afterwards, they made At War With Satan which is nice, but not something you'd feel like revisiting quite often (early black metal wasn't a genre made for 20 minutes long opuses...)

Then Possessed which is more like their older stuff but, simply, ''lacks something''.

Afterwards all fell apart and became quite poopy. I'm sorry for him, but that's how it is.
Still, kudos for what he's done in his prime. He's one of my favourites (in that era) and quite an influence as well.

Tbh I often pick a couple of albums I'm really into Or a particular era from a band and mainly stay with that....
I'm a Bit too manic to buy/follow every album though I do stay loyal to an artist for like years!!) I never got the Venom black metal bec possessed was the album that I found.....having so little £££ of my own for albums back then!! I'm not very chronological when it comes to Metal I'm going back to some of the older stuff from Sodom Celtic frost Venom ect atmo But I might pick up on a different album slightly to what I had back then.....
Interesting that Sodom continued to progress and advance with more and better made albums) Tbh I really eXpected to die young so I'm pretty freaked these bands are still going as well as myself!! Figured it'd all be long gone) Or I'd be gone myself anywayz)
I was told by adult wan*ers
as a teenager that I'd totally change when I was older....that music wldnt matter anymore yeah like@Liars
Ive ONLY made it through because I stayed into music(s)

 

[ManicBass5]

Maybe ca

I feel sorry for him too. I take no joy in the watching the once mighty stumble or fall.

But his career isn’t the first to hit an artistic slump. Nor will his be the last. It’s an all too common tale in the arts.

I remember a scathing comment I read about Ernest Hemingway. His early literary brilliance and reputation eventually succumbed to self-posturing and alcoholism such that he became a caricature of his younger self.

The comment was: First comes the young master, followed closely by the old fraud.

I think the trick (as you get older you start thinking about these things) is something John Crowley alluded to in his novel Little Big. One of the characters in that story said (I’m paraphrasing) that as you progress through each of life's stages, certain things need to be relinquished. But if you’re smart, you’ll trade those old things for the gifts the next stage of life offers you. However, if you try to cling to those past things, you’ll end up getting nothing in exchange - and the things you’re clinging to will get taken away from you anyway.

I think there’s a lot of truth in that.

Like the Rod Stewart song says:

Once I was a young man.
And all I thought I had to do was smile.
​

Too bad he himself didn’t heed the wisdom in that song.

When your young and don't have much your hungry/hangry and have drive....once life gets easier maybe they lose that?!? Or they forget there ginseng tablets.....
Stay hungry stay angry....I'm older But I'm still like that myself) not much has gotten more easy!!

 

[40Hz]

Maybe ca

When your young and don't have much your hungry/hangry and have drive....once life gets easier maybe they lose that?!? Or they forget there ginseng tablets.....
Stay hungry stay angry....I'm older But I'm still like that myself) not much has gotten more easy!!

True. But the two things I finally learned as I got older was to be patient, and even more importantly, to be kind.

I’m still hungry. But anger is something I left behind. I never found anger to be all that useful an emotion anyway.

 

[ManicBass5]

True. But the two things I finally learned as I got older was to be patient, and even more importantly, to be kind.

I’m still hungry. But anger is something I left behind. I never found anger to be all that useful an emotion anyway.

Cared for a relative for #20 years who due to mental health being eccentric and other reasons was just "left to rot" by his own parents and society so I know positive anger at injustice keeps my heart from dying!! When I die at least I'll go back to gods with true passion!!

 

[beer&bass]

From Bass Guitar Magazine I believe.