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Bassists with music degrees?
- Thread starter IamGroot
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I would first like to know what falls under the term 'music degree' for you. College education only? Trained professional musicians? Also those that work with music professionally?
I'd be surprised if I wasn't better after dozens of credit hours of music courses. Are you asking if one could attain the same level of skill without college music courses?
There are three components of musical competence:
Talent, Knowledge, and Practice.
Formal musical education can provide knowledge and, to some extent, practice. The knowledge helps especially in being able to communicate with other musicians.
Talent, Knowledge, and Practice.
Formal musical education can provide knowledge and, to some extent, practice. The knowledge helps especially in being able to communicate with other musicians.
Examples of music degrees in the US are Bachelors or equivalent or higher degrees from a college, conservatory, or music school.
Thanks to my kids being involved in music, and playing music myself, I know a lot of musicians with and without degrees. And people know that I play in decent bands without having a degree myself, so they're surprised when I tell them that I think the degree is valuable.
Taking 8 years of classical lessons on cello, and playing bass for 40 years, has taught me a few things. I can hold my own on the bandstand, and play gigs with professional bands. But today, the upright players who are above me in the local pecking order, all have degrees. "Kids" who have been playing seriously for maybe 6-8 years, but have spent that time in focused study, can run circles around me technically. They can also compose, arrange, teach, and so forth. They are exposed to a larger variety of new ideas in the academic setting. Meanwhile, the value of my knowledge, such as the jazz "standards," is fading into the past, and is mainly relegated to gigs playing background music. I think this is a good generalization of the difference between degree and non-degree musicians in my locale.
With that said, I have no regrets. I've got a degree in something else, that has led to a rewarding career in its own right. And a music degree is still a license to struggle -- the job situation is known to be pretty bleak. A large fraction of music majors at the nearby university, have a second major in something that could help them make ends meet, such as math, computer science, and so forth. A lot of the kids who were the top music students in high school were also quite competitive in a variety of subjects, and came from supportive families.
Incidentally, if you go to a web forum for computer programmers and ask if the computer science degree has made them a better programmer, you will get a range of answers.
Taking 8 years of classical lessons on cello, and playing bass for 40 years, has taught me a few things. I can hold my own on the bandstand, and play gigs with professional bands. But today, the upright players who are above me in the local pecking order, all have degrees. "Kids" who have been playing seriously for maybe 6-8 years, but have spent that time in focused study, can run circles around me technically. They can also compose, arrange, teach, and so forth. They are exposed to a larger variety of new ideas in the academic setting. Meanwhile, the value of my knowledge, such as the jazz "standards," is fading into the past, and is mainly relegated to gigs playing background music. I think this is a good generalization of the difference between degree and non-degree musicians in my locale.
With that said, I have no regrets. I've got a degree in something else, that has led to a rewarding career in its own right. And a music degree is still a license to struggle -- the job situation is known to be pretty bleak. A large fraction of music majors at the nearby university, have a second major in something that could help them make ends meet, such as math, computer science, and so forth. A lot of the kids who were the top music students in high school were also quite competitive in a variety of subjects, and came from supportive families.
Incidentally, if you go to a web forum for computer programmers and ask if the computer science degree has made them a better programmer, you will get a range of answers.
Yes ,if the person has actually participated in the education then yes.
Me ? I dont have a degree in music. It appeared to me it was asked for those with a degree to answer, but I'll pitch in.
My high school age daughter plays cello, has taken extensive lessons and busts her ass. She plays with the junior Philharmonic in this city ,has actually performed with the actual (adult)Philharmonic, has taken gold in many music competitions, made and performed in all kinds of honor orchestras etc...
She actually teaches other students and gets paid for it.
I'm not bragging ,but explaining how much work is involved to attain a professional level. She still has a long way to go.
Praying for a scholarship . Assuming she'll have a double major.
My son got music scholarship offers ,but declined as he saw no money in it . Going for something else.
If you guys think bass guitars are expensive go shopping for a nice professional cello
Me ? I dont have a degree in music. It appeared to me it was asked for those with a degree to answer, but I'll pitch in.
My high school age daughter plays cello, has taken extensive lessons and busts her ass. She plays with the junior Philharmonic in this city ,has actually performed with the actual (adult)Philharmonic, has taken gold in many music competitions, made and performed in all kinds of honor orchestras etc...
She actually teaches other students and gets paid for it.
I'm not bragging ,but explaining how much work is involved to attain a professional level. She still has a long way to go.
Praying for a scholarship . Assuming she'll have a double major.
My son got music scholarship offers ,but declined as he saw no money in it . Going for something else.
If you guys think bass guitars are expensive go shopping for a nice professional cello
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Been there. Don't forget the bow.
That's right. Just like guitars, plectrums not included.Been there. Don't forget the bow.
Ask a quack doctor if a degree made him a better doctor. It made him a doctor, but if you don't put anything into it beyond what you're learning in class, or if you don't learn how to apply it to its best use, then it's meaningless. I don't have a degree in music and wish I did. Overall, I do believe that degrees help those who have an affinity and work ethic for it reach their true potential, giving them skills they might not have ever known they could do, exposing them to people they never would have met otherwise, etc. But without the affinity and the work ethic, they're just pissing money away.
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I don't have a degree, but study and practice have made me a better musician. IMO a lot of payers with music degrees are better because they practiced their booties off in a competitive environment while their brains still had some plasticity. That kind of work pays long-term benefits. It's harder as you get older and/or are focused on other things (family, day job, recreational drugs, etc.).
For sure. I learned a lot practicing with my private instructor each week. Playing in the ensembles at the college definitely helped too.
Studying music theory, and playing in college jazz band definitely made me a better musician. The degree enabled me to get a job teaching music.
My question is "compared to what?"
If you would have spent those 4 years playing video games at home, then the time getting your degree was well spent.
If you had the opportunity to tour for 4 years with a fantastic artist or group, then doing a degree might not have been the right choice.
If you would have spent those 4 years playing video games at home, then the time getting your degree was well spent.
If you had the opportunity to tour for 4 years with a fantastic artist or group, then doing a degree might not have been the right choice.
Yes. I didn't complete my associates through traditional class room studies, but I went through three semesters of theory, private lessons, and solfege training at a traditional junior college. Also took music history and class piano. The three semesters of theory took me through diatonic classical theory and gave me enough foundation to learn how to read and interpret jazz chord notation with a little help from mentors.
Between experience awarded to me as a military musician, and additional online course work to finish off basic core class requirements, I was eventually awarded an associates in Applied Music degree from the CCAF.
I wouldn't say I am a great bass player, but I think I was probably above average.
In my career I performed in about 40 countries and entertained royalty and high level national leaders on a number of occasions. I also got to perform with a few celebrities and musical headliners. My forte was versatility. I played in pop groups, concert band, and big band on 6-string electric, 6-string electric upright, and string bass. I was competent enough with the bow on string bass to play orchestral transcriptions of major symphonic works, providing the range did not go into thumb position. I also played quite a bit of what we called cocktail music...basically jazz trio where each player is expected to solo on most tunes.
It's unlikely I would have ever become a professional musician without those first three semesters of traditional class room studies. Honestly I never dreamed I would be a professional musician, but somehow it worked out. The Air Force band program was a near perfect match for my skills and aptitudes, but I had to work really hard when I was first hired. Luckily they were desperate for bass players as I was not really qualified when I cross trained into the program.
