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Bassists with music degrees?

IMO the biggest single advantage gained by getting a music degree is that it affords you the luxury of devoting four full years of your life almost exclusively to focusing on music. And at an age when most people have a naturally high energy level and (most times) no significant health issues or outside responsibilities.

That's not an opportunity most people will get any other way.

The real world and your life will be waiting for you post-graduation. And like the saying goes: "Life gets in the way."
 
100% YES it has.

not everyone "needs" formal training, but man, there really is no substitute for what it did for me.

Same here. I don't have a music degree. But the relatively small amount of formal academic training and music education I have received paid off handsomely as far as my musicianship went. Had I been able to pursue a formal music degree I think I'd have gotten where I am right now with music about 35 years earlier.
 
IMO the biggest single advantage gained by getting a music degree is that it affords you the luxury of devoting four full years of your life almost exclusively to focusing on music.

that is true. but also what the specific program will entail - music theory, keyboard harmony, ear training/solfege/sight-singing, applied lessons, performing ensembles.

it's hard to compete with someone who had enough skill for it not to be insane to go to music school in the first place, once they've been through that ringer. (disclaimer - a lot of people enrolling in music school should not do it! wanting to be a rockstar and wanting to be a versatile and diverse musician are almost opposite things)

there's also something else that happens - your professors may/ can/should become good role models. that played such a big role in my life, never-mind musical career - you get to see what successful musicians look like. seeing success is a big deal if you are someone who wishes to emulate the characteristics that can bring on that success.
 
you get to see what successful musicians look like. seeing success is a big deal if you are someone who wishes to emulate the characteristics that can bring on that success.

Agree.

One video I always get a big kick out of is this Adam Neeley vlog where he's in the bass chair for a computer game awards ceremony. I have a friend with a kid who's an aspiring musician. In fairness, he's a very good bass player and guitarist for a kid who just turned 15. But he's in a family that's raved about his "incredible talent" since he was seven. And he's gotten a little full of himself since he started high school to the point of referring to himself as "hardcore professional."

So I showed him this video. It's typical of the sort of thing a real professional session musician can expect if he or she takes on a call. When it was over I asked him if he felt, being a self-described "hardcore" professional, he could handle a gig rehearsal like that, playing that number of songs in that range of styles, with other musicians (and a composer-musician) of that caliber on short notice and still nail it?

His eyes got wide while watching it. And when it was over he acknowledged he still had a ways to go before he could consider himself (in his words) "a real professional."

Hopefully he'll stick with it. He's got genuine talent and drive. All he needs is the education and experience to go with it.

Anyway, this is the video:

 
Agree.

One video I always get a big kick out of is this Adam Neeley vlog where he's in the bass chair for a computer game awards ceremony. I have a friend with a kid who's an aspiring musician. In fairness, he's a very good bass player and guitarist for a kid who just turned 15. But he's in a family that's raved about his "incredible talent" since he was seven. And he's gotten a little full of himself since he started high school to the point of referring to himself as "hardcore professional."

So I showed him this video. It's typical of the sort of thing a real professional session musician can expect if he or she takes on a call. When it was over I asked him if he felt, being a self-described "hardcore" professional, he could handle a gig rehearsal like that, playing that number of songs in that range of styles, with other musicians (and a composer-musician) of that caliber on short notice and still nail it?

His eyes got wide while watching it. And when it was over he acknowledged he still had a ways to go before he could consider himself (in his words) "a real professional."

Hopefully he'll stick with it. He's got genuine talent and drive. All he needs is the education and experience to go with it.

Anyway, this is the video:



awesome example!

two thoughts -

1. the type of stuff in that video, for me at least, is closer to "normal" than it is to "exception." I get asked to play stuff like that (not specifically video game stuff, but charts that are that difficult to play / read) shockingly often.

2. i now enjoy a full career in music education and only take gigs i like/want. i recently was speaking with a co-worker, who has been a school orchestra director for 30 years. the topic of families who rave about their children's talent came up. neither of us have ever had a student be significantly above average if the family describes their "talent" or anything to that effect. the most advanced kids, playing full cello suites in 6th grade and that sort of thing, are kids who's family will generally say things like "he/she really loves it." telling a young musician that they're "great" is in a strange way a bad thing - accomplishments must be recognized, but filling someone's head with ideas about being "Great" when in reality they're close to incompetent (even if they do have natural talent that hasn't been honed yet) is a dangerous move.

back to music school, for sure one of those side benefits was just this - i went in thinking i was good - look at me, i know every jaco lick, i can play you victor wootens solo pieces note for note, i can improvise anything and for any amount of time, my grooves are the best..... and i came out knowing that i have an idea how to play, but it's just an idea... ray brown actually knew how to play... not me... and it set me on the path towards taking steps to be whatever a "real" musician should be.

in short, being a great musician will mean not having an ego - weather that means that parents aught to be careful with what type and how much praise, or the ego needs to be demolished post-development, when you meet folks like john pattitucci they don't have any feeling of "i'm great" in their DNA. it's a lot more like "wow i'm happy to be here."
 
in short, being a great musician will mean not having an ego - weather that means that parents aught to be careful with what type and how much praise, or the ego needs to be demolished post-development, when you meet folks like john pattitucci they don't have any feeling of "i'm great" in their DNA. it's a lot more like "wow i'm happy to be here."

not disagreeing with you but i just had to laugh since it reminded me of when i met al dimeola, who had an air of "you're happy that im here."
 
Yeah, but deep down he wasn't a dick.
No, he was mentally ill. But I have a friend who is also a stellar musician and who has the same illness. We talked about Jaco's "I'm the best bass player in the world" statement. My friend said, "well, you know... Jaco had the same problems I have. But he also was right."

Point being, you actually can be the best bass player in the world and also prone to announce it due to unfortunate circumstance.
 
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Has your music degree made you a better bassist/musician?

My (two!) music degrees definitely make me a better musician ...but I'm not sure if they make me a better bassist, other than to the extent that the (ostensibly better) musician I am informs my decisions about everything I play on the bass.
 
It's not just the knowledge from the degree and it's applications on the outside world. The very experience of being at a Music school, surrounded by inspiring players and teachers, meeting and playing with all these different Muso's... it's very special.

Exactly. Being part of a scene that has an underlying theme of training to be a pro, whether you actually ever become a pro or not, puts you a notch or two above the folks who learned more or less on their own.