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Bassman AB165 custom build yea or nay

For some time I have been interested in revisiting an all tube bass head. I have fond memories of playing through a Bassman 100 throughout the 90's. I loved the amp and ran it into a couple of used Magnatone 15" alnico speakers. It was loud, and growled and compressed just perfectly. I realize that over time my memory of how it sounded may have distorted though. I have found bass amps that reminded me of it. The SWR Basic Black was close and of course the Alembic f1x compares but I just keep wondering if I would like an all tube head again. Perhaps just not 100 watts.

Recently while visiting a local store I had the opportunity to play through a McClostone Bassman/ JTM45 guitar head. I plugged it into an Ampeg 15E cabinet and was enamored for well over an hour. My takeaway was that with that amp at least I could hear enough "guitar" voiced circuit that this one wasn't for me though as the builder is local I reached out to him in regard to an AB165 circuit with a few custom modifications and received a quote which I believe is reasonable. I had also reached out to Fat Jimmy and Lil Dawg amps though I would rather support someone local which makes any repairs or modifications within driving distance and I think McClostone does excellent cabinet work as well.

I have been searching the internet in regard to playing bass through an AB165 and as you know guitarist love this amp so there are not a lot of videos or discussions regarding it's use currently as a Bass specific amp. Tons of videos of gain stack mods. I have no fear of the lower power output as my main use will be personal and in studio and hope to pair it with either a custom cabinet or Bag End S15. If you are using this amp, the Bassman AB165 I would like to hear about your experience. Have you made any modifications that you would recommend?

I have seen a few modification where say a more linear power amp section is used with the AB165 preamp though I wonder if this just defeats the overall vibe/ tone of the original circuit. There are few Blackface amps locally I could try though I believe they have been modified for guitar use. Gut shots indicate different resistor values etc. and I would very much like a new amp, something that will for some time not require much maintenance.

I am curious if you would dissuade or encourage me to proceed? I expect from the amp a warm Fender tone stack that has natural compression, sounds "vintage" and can cover the classic musical styles, blues, rock, jazz, funk and perhaps excel as a pedal platform tone canvas. What I am concerned about, is this circuit going to distort too early and if so should I consider a different circuit? I am not as much about grinding distortion these days.

I realize that for the associated cost I could purchase a modern equivalent that could be used in a variety of settings though for some reason I am curious about this idea and would appreciate some feedback. Thank you.
 
No experience with AB165, but plenty with AB763, AA768, and 6G2. Maybe my comments will be helpful...and maybe not.

Do you like the Bass channel or Normal channel? If you like the Normal channel, try an Orange AD200B.

To my ears the Orange sounds and responds pretty similar to the AB763 circuit. One notable difference is the preamp on the Orange is gainy and can easily be cranked into OD. For the Fender experience max out the Master and use the Gain to set your level.

The Orange makes about 170W clean. The low end is fuller, but you have to be careful not overdo it. If you run too much bass, the sound tends to get mushy and wash out a bit prematurely.
 
When I played through the 100 I preferred the normal channel though that was a long time ago and generally a different amp. From the videos I have watch I think I would prefer to use the Bass channel these days adding an EQ pedal in front if needed. I am familiar with Orange amps having played bass through the OR50 and TH30. Wow those are great for a distorted bass tone. I have seen several AD200B heads used under 1500$, good to know that similar sound can be achieved.
 
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If you're having one built, strongly recommend having the builder use 4 6L6s and the PT and OT used in the Showman / Twin Reverb AB763 85W amps. Same tone, more headroom. Increase the output coupling caps to .047 and use the AB763 bias control circuit, that bias/balance circuit in the 165 and later was only so CBS could get away with unbalanced shtty power tubes and didn't allow the bias to be varied. The 2-tube Bassman only actually puts out about 40 watts clean which may sound ok in a music store but will be completely lost on stage. Personal opinion: '65 Bassman is a stellar lead amp, too wimpy for bass. Get something more modern, any tube bass amp should have at least four 6550s in it.
 
Hemmed and hawed long enough, I voted Yea. Stock AB165 Blacked out with stained black gloss cabinet. I have played a few Bassman amps around town all in various conditions and for the volume I want to play, in home and with my friends it's going to be fine. I have other amps for LOUD. My focus is more chill anyway. @Short4since64 and @Wasnex I appreciate your input.
 
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I have seen amps from smaller builders that don’t come close to meeting the safety regulations and in fact hazardous. That’s why I mentioned it.
 
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I have had it for about a month and enjoy playing through it. Really enjoy jumping channels as seen. There are a lot of great tones that can be had. I will install 5751s, and I might like a switching system for the jacks. Glad I did it.
 

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