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Behringer 4x10=1200watts=???

#21
I'd say if You actually somehow were able to get that cab to take a full 1000 watts without some speaker meltdown I'd be shocked. I bet it'd sound like the morning after attending a chili cook off at 400 watts.

You can put a 4000 watt sticker on the back of any cab, but does that mean it'll actually handle that much power? I dont think so.......must less a budget cab with 50 watt drivers.
 
#22
I do agree with the aggressive horn, but with my VAMP Pro, I've swept the highs so that it's not so bad. With the horn off though, it's still crisp enough (on my BA410) to give a good tone. I haven't torn a speaker yet, but I imagine one day I might, we'll see.
 
#23
The thing that kills speakers isn't the power most of the time, it's the distortion, the continuous ignored distortion that causes the coils to heat up and melt down. I don't allow my bass to distort, and if it ever happens to, my ear is paying attention so I can fix it. I suppose a different style of music than I play could call for heavy distortion and could fry one of these, but distortion at any wattage will fry any speaker eventually.
 
#24
That is silly wattage. What do you want those watts for? I DO actually have a berhinger Ultra bass 4500H Head. Behringer does rip-offs right, so mine is the behringer rip of an Ashdown EVO 350 another head which I have. 350 watts is more than ample. behringer just upped it by a hundred watts because they know their market. "100 watts more for £300 less. SOLD.

Behringers don't perform well at capacity, what they are is a saleable design stolen and made for cheap. Good recipe for us poor folks but don't expect it to be the dream. It's very good for the price and fairly bad for the discerning audiophile.

I remember the first time I bought a non-practice amp: I bought the most powerful amplifier I could afford. What I should have done was buy the most carry-able amp I could afford, with thoughtfully ranged EQ. admittedly you need to meet the stage volume of your drummer. but beyond that what is the power for?

Back to my first question what do you think you want those watts for?
 
#25
I had several of these BA410 cabinets I bought new from Music 123. They were in my honest opinion the best bang for your buck cabinet for outdoor use. The aluminum cone speakers could take a beating and still cut through the mix fine. I bought these and a new BX4500 H behringer head when I got back into playing. Used them for several years,and never had an issue. Now that I am a total Carvin head,and cabinet freak that's all I will ever use,but the Behringer stuff was worth the money at the time.
 
#26
Where I play, the PA can't handle (reproduce) the bass, both in house and outdoor. So most of the time I'm on my own. We self mix, so to be able to have the power available is handy. Do I need to use it all the time, no, but it's nice to have it in my back pocket.
 
#27
I don't hate on any brand without a reason. I haven't own a Behringer bass cab but have owned one of their 4 channel keyboard amps with a 15 & horn. It worked great for practices running the band through it at lower volumes. (Bass, Guitar, E-drums & vocals) That said I bought a SWR Goliath II on CL for $150 and see Peavey TX410s for $200 and under all the time on CL. I would much prefer these brands as the have earned my faith over the years. Behringer is what is is. If you do get the Behringer just don't expect miracles out of it. Run it with a 2-300 watt head and it would probably work ok.
 
#28
soundman502 said:
The thing that kills speakers isn't the power most of the time, it's the distortion, the continuous ignored distortion that causes the coils to heat up and melt down ... distortion at any wattage will fry any speaker eventually.
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This is actually a myth that has been debunked countless times on this forum. See posts by billfitzmaurice, BobLee, Mark Reccord, and others.
 
#32
Eric Moesle said:
I get a kick out of him saying it was a 1200 watt COMBO . . .

Am I the only one who caught that?
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I think Dustin stated that he had the 4x10 in a combo version. I'm not very familiar with Behringer's line, but I suppose that they may very well make a 4x10 combo amp. I know Ashdown does.

Who knows how much similarity there is between the stand-alone cab and the combo though.
 
#34
I had a BA410 a few years ago. Looked impressive, even emailed the guy at Behringer to ask if the power output quoted was RMS or peak and was told that it was RMS.

After a couple of gigs I noticed a sound that I thought was the grill vibrating so i started stuffing beer mats down the sides to stop it.

By the end of the third gig all 4 drivers were hanging off. All cracked, bass sounded like someone blowing on a comb with a piece of paper over it.

Bearing in mind that I was using this with a Hartke HA5500 @ 8ohms and not particularly loud, there was no noticable distortion or anything untoward to suggest that i was driving the speakers too hard I was raging at how quickly the thing fell apart.

I emailed Behringer this story and within 3 days they had a replacement to me without even having to see any pictures.

Great customer service but it took me ages to trust aluminium cones again. In fact the Hartke 215XL that I recently got is the first one since.

needless to say as soon as I got the replacement cab it was straight on Ebay and replaced with a couple of ashdown ABM115s.

Despite this I reckon I would still buy one of their amps as a backup and some of the pedals even take my fancy like the VT999 distortion. This is based on the customer service which is sometimes almost as important as the product itself.
 
#35
Friend of mine has the 4410 combo with paper cones. I enjoyed playing it at a couple of gigs. Big, full sound, but not a great tone, IMO. I set it flat, but noticed that even flat it sounded kinda mid-scooped, I thought. Anyway, the sound was really big running it through the PA. He has some other Behringer stuff, including a board, and he seems happy with it so far, but I worry for us in the band that one night something will die. I always play my Markbass rig, for myself. The times I played his 4410 were special occasions where he already had it set up, so I just went ahead.

Personally, I will never buy any Behringer stuff. I didn't like the way the controls felt on the 4410. Too loose, giving the feeling of low quality (although that's not fair for me to say that based on nothing more than that, I know). I guess their reputation has colored my thinking some, so I'm looking for something wrong. Sometimes we see what we wanna see, ya know. All I KNOW for sure is that I feel more confident with my more expensive equipment.
 
#36
NWB is correct, Behringer did make a combo version of this with paper cones for a few years but it was discontinued. That is what I owned. So yeah, Eric, you really didn't catch anything at all... go do your research before you comment, bud.

And yes, the head + cabinet version is identical in sound and function to the combo. I have played both in the same practice space and there is no discernible difference to my ear.

Although if I were you, I would go with the head + cabinet version instead of the current aluminum cone combo. I believe you get an extra speaker out and a control for the tweeter, if I'm not mistaken. The combo had no control for the tweeter.
 
#38
Dustin Teel said:
NWB is correct, Behringer did make a combo version of this with paper cones for a few years but it was discontinued. That is what I owned. So yeah, Eric, you really didn't catch anything at all... go do your research before you comment, bud.
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The comments weren't clear. I really don't feel a need to research every strange comment here, else it would take up 100% of my day, every day.

Besides, the 1200 watts claim is laughable. I neither need to research or field test to know that....
 
#40
JimmyM said:
No you didn't. It is impossible to put that much power into ANY 410, let alone a Behringer.
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I dunno about that man, the Uber 410 by Genz Benz is rated at 1000W (with the tweeter fully on), but will happily run at 900W with just the four ten-inch speakers from what the specs (and a couple of video reviews) say. I haven't tried one myself, but Ed Friedland reviewed it with the Shuttle 9.0 (which is 900 watts) and he seemed to think that the pair was great.

That said, there is NO way that a Behringer 410 can take 1200 watts for any period of time, let alone continuously. Behringer make cheap products, some of which ARE quite good (I used to be in a band that had one of their mixers/power amps, and it worked fine), but on the whole their stuff is cheap and rubbish. Their plastic pedals break after a couple of months, their amps will always die within a year without fail, and I strongly doubt that their speaker cabinets are any better. You wouldn't be able to find any 410 that could continuously take 1200 watts at this point in time IMO.


Chopshonky said:
I remember the first time I bought a non-practice amp: I bought the most powerful amplifier I could afford. What I should have done was buy the most carry-able amp I could afford, with thoughtfully ranged EQ. admittedly you need to meet the stage volume of your drummer. but beyond that what is the power for?

Back to my first question what do you think you want those watts for?
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Well, you might not NEED the power most of the time, but one of the reasons I love my Shuttle 9.0 is that it's as "carry-able" as a book with knobs on it (almost literally), AND it's loud and powerful. Having portability with an amp is definitely a big issue in today's world, with fewer venues supplying gear and people expecting musicians to be more efficient with gear management, but having headroom and extra power on tap is something that WILL come in handy in a band eventually.

Having only enough power to match your drummer's volume will be fine during rehearsals, but at gigs you ought to have extra power because you never know what the room's acoustics will do. Some rooms will make drums sound louder or quieter than usual, same with bass, and while the differences aren't big it helps to have that extra padding there so you don't have to play entire gigs with your amp running in the red. You can't always count on full PA support either, so you need to be comfortably able to match the drummer's volume with headroom IMO.
 

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