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Behringer Bass V-AMP Pro

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When I am playing at the synagogue, I don't have an amp. I am DI to the house, but I do at least have a nice Kustom full range monitor that does very well to let me know of my bass playing.

Some of the worship leaders have been wanting to make more use of the various things the digital piano can do, additional sounds and FX. I am guessing that if I could muster $170 for a V-Amp Pro, they would be asking for me emulate the songs more closely, as well.

This would then mean, of course, needing to become a better bass player.

So, maybe I shouldn't consider the V-Amp.

:D

I'm completely dumb-founded. I can't even imagine not wanting to get better.
 
The only serious issue with the units is it is a computer. There is a low digital phase noise always present in the unit. If a guy was really anal about perfection of his signal, this would be a probem. It was a problem for me.

BUT it's pretty hard to argue with $169 bucks, and it will do all sorts of stuff. Using it for recording, that phase noise would be unacceptable IMHO.

Ever heard of washing the track? Any digital audio editing software worth its salt enables the user to wash the track and eliminate those types of hums and hisses. You'll get more humms and hisses from going DI from your AmpegSVT pro and miking it on a second track. You still have to wash the track. What's the difference?
 
Tip #14: Timing Is Everything

I'm providing this tip, not only because I am running-out of Bass V-AMP tips to share, but because I'd like to bring this thread back down to business :-)

As a bonus, it's a universal tip and need not apply just to the Bass V-AMP.

I've noticed that certain on-line, big-name, musical retailers (yes, you know) usually offer 15% off coupon codes or similar sales about 4-times a year that seem to coincide with some type of holiday.

This would mean that a new Behringer Bass V-AMP would sell for $145, and if you like these sort of things for your bass rig, the Behringer FCB1010 MIDI foot controller would sell for $128, most likely with free shipping, no state tax + 45-days to return it all if not 100% satisfied.
 
I'd just like to add that the patch editing software available for free from Behringer is soooooo much easier to use than trying to access cryptic settings using the confusing manual. It clearly lays out everything the unit is doing in real time and allows you to easily tweak on the fly. It actually encourages exploration of what this unit is really capable of.
 
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I'd just like to add that the patch editing software available for free from Behringer is soooooo much easier to use than trying to access cryptic settings using the confusing manual. It clearly lays out everything the unit is doing in real time and allows you to easily tweak on the fly. It actually encourages exploration of what this unit is really capable of.

Yes, I could not agree more!

ChrisAlan was kind enough to provide a screen shot of this software on Page 1 of this thread for all those curious.

On an interesting note, besides being a FREE download from Behringer's site, the software itself need not be, and is not, "installed" like a typical Windows program. Instead, the ZIP file download contains an EXE file that simply "runs" and does not install DLLs or mess with your OS. Additionally, it is possible to actually test drive the software on your computer WITHOUT having or connecting a Bass V-AMP unit.

When you finally see ChrisAlan's screen shot or use the free software, you'll see that there really aren't too many V-AMP parameters. It's just that without that helpful graphical user interface that puts it all in one place, it's tough to comprehend at first with just the unit and the horrible manual.
 
Yes, I could not agree more!

ChrisAlan was kind enough to provide a screen shot of this software on Page 1 of this thread for all those curious.

On an interesting note, besides being a FREE download from Behringer's site, the software itself need not be, and is not, "installed" like a typical Windows program. Instead, the ZIP file download contains an EXE file that simply "runs" and does not install DLLs or mess with your OS. Additionally, it is possible to actually test drive the software on your computer WITHOUT having or connecting a Bass V-AMP unit.

When you finally see ChrisAlan's screen shot or use the free software, you'll see that there really aren't too many V-AMP parameters. It's just that without that helpful graphical user interface that puts it all in one place, it's tough to comprehend at first with just the unit and the horrible manual.

Indeed.
With the software and the way it lays out all the options and parameters, it all makes sense and it's pretty simple. PLus certain parameters, when it comes to FX, are just not available to tweak from the unit itself. Well worth the install.
 
Tip #15: Bi-Amping

The Bass V-AMP Pro features integrated bi-amping capabilities not even found in bass preamps costing 2 to 3 times more (e.g. Line 6 POD X3.)

The cut-off frequency of the 18dB/octave Butterworth crossover is configured in EDIT mode under the X-OVER section. Adjustments are made using the Bank Up/Down arrow keys. The display shows the selected frequency divided by a factor of 10. The display will show "--" when the crossover point is not set/activated.

Volume balance between the high pass and low pass are adjusted using the EFFECTS knob also while under the X-OVER section. All the way to the left = low pass signal only, all the way to the right = high pass signal only.

After configuring the X-OVER, you must set the operating mode of the V-AMP to either S2 (Studio 2) or L2 (Live 2) so that the Left + Right outputs will individually send the high and low signals. See my other tips for how to set the V-AMP's operating mode. Below is a chart of all the available operating modes that I cobbled together from Behringer's after I corrected a few mistakes.

The integrated X-OVER is so well-thought-out that...

  1. Any EFFECTS you use are only sent to the high pass signal, leaving the low pass untouched
  2. All X-OVER settings are stored at patch-level

I do not know which employees at Behringer developed this unit, but they did a fine job and really put some thought into it!


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On an interesting note, the Bass V-AMP Pro features two XLR direct outs with ULTRA-G cabinet simulation and/or circuitry designed by "Juergen Rath."

I do not know who this person is, Google was little help, but whatever he did, to my ears, the XLR outs on the V-AMP sound as good, if not better than, other units equipped with "enhanced" XLR outs that simulate mic'd cabinets (e.g. Tech 21 VT Deluxe, BDDI, etc.)
 
On an interesting note, the Bass V-AMP Pro features two XLR direct outs with ULTRA-G cabinet simulation and/or circuitry designed by "Juergen Rath."

I do not know who this person is, Google was little help, but whatever he did, to my ears, the XLR outs on the V-AMP sound as good, if not better than, other units equipped with "enhanced" XLR outs that simulate mic'd cabinets (e.g. Tech 21 VT Deluxe, BDDI, etc.)

FWIW, the red Behringer Ultra-G DI box, also has the cab sim in it and sounds pretty good as well.
 
FWIW, the red Behringer Ultra-G DI box, also has the cab sim in it and sounds pretty good as well.

One could imagine then that the Red Behringer DI box therefore is a reliable, modestly-priced, performing piece of gear just like it's big brother, the V-AMP Pro :-)

Those "cab sim'd" XLRs sure do sound great through a board!

... and again, included on top of EVERYTHING else the V-AMP already provides @ $169
 
Well, now I'm curious....

as far as behringer reliability...

The only stuff that I've seen fail (and kind of alot) is their powered stuff.amps and such.

Ive owned a 16 channel (or was it 12?)mixing board (with effects)...no problems.
Ive owned a DI...worked fine...no problems.
Ive owned a 115 speaker cab....no problems.

The speaker sounded..well..it was for practice so I had no complaints actually.

My singers wife had a pair of powered speakers he got for his wifes....something or other.(and we've used them at our acoustic gig.)Sounded fine.
BUT one of them blew up..just the other sunday..just made a huge POP...then a constant series of small pops if you turn it on now.
Still under warranty so he pays shippin 1 way, they pay shipping back.


So...My experience is....unpowered stuff:boards, DI...crossovers,compressors...never heard of reliability issues.
Powered stuff: power amps, bass amps, powered speakers, those are the items I have had 1st hand experience with them failing.


Take this for what it is...my experience YMMV.


Now...back to your regular scheduled programming.


PS..I may pick up one of these Vamps tho.

Thanks for all your effort in these tips charlie.
Not alot of people would take the time to do it, and I think its paying off (for behringer), as it seems alot of us are givin the VaMp a 2nd look now.
 
Thanks for all your effort in these tips charlie.
Not alot of people would take the time to do it, and I think its paying off (for behringer), as it seems alot of us are givin the VaMp a 2nd look now.

Thanks!

... and I'm not doing this for free! I hope that Behringer rewards me one day with a complimentary Bass V-AMP 2.0!

Seriously though, I hope if anything, that Behringer, Line 6, etc. are taking notice of the finer, user-discussed points on this thread in order to make even better products next time.
 
hiho,I have a vamp and a bdi .The only problem with the vamp was the battery which was changed easily enough.The bdi is incredible and reliable.
I do agree that the manual could be more user friendly as I get confused but there is a lot of stuff in there and apart from the battery I wish I could get my head around it as there is so many sounds in there.
 
hiho,I have a vamp and a bdi .The only problem with the vamp was the battery which was changed easily enough.The bdi is incredible and reliable.
I do agree that the manual could be more user friendly as I get confused but there is a lot of stuff in there and apart from the battery I wish I could get my head around it as there is so many sounds in there.

Both are great units, that each serve different purposes, but in the end, both will give you some excellent tones.

I can help you take control of your Bass V-AMP Pro with the many tips I have posted throughout this thread, as well my own "Quick Start Guide" PDF file found in Tip #9. You may be amazed at what you hear when the unit is finally configured properly + de-crapified :-)
 
Instead of a V-AMP tip to share today, I would like to share my thought process when I shopped for a bass preamp and show how ended up with the Behringer unit in my main rig.

My needs then and now are really pretty simple:

1. Classic, quality bass tones
2. Rack-mountable
3. Built-in compressor
4. Built-in tuner
5. XLR outs for DI
The Tech 21 SansAmp devices I currently own, and that I also considered, all had the classic, quality amp tones, most of which were Ampeg variety (which I love), but no real others. Their rack-mountable units started at $329 and featured XLR outs. No programmability yet at that price point and no tuner. It was a high-quality, no-frills pre for $329 and I would need to bring and string an external tuner at the gig, and a compressor, if I found I still needed one.

The Line 6 POD X3 devices I currently own, and that I also considered, all had just about every amp tone imaginable, all the greats are represented, and very realistically as well. Their one rack-mountable unit was $699 and every numbered requirement above was fulfilled generously. Interestingly enough, it had no bi-amping capabilities (they were dropped from their previous generation unit) and worst of all, next to the high-price, it was 3-odd rack spaces high! The odd size + cost were the deal-breakers for me. Their X3 bean costs $399. Couldn't they just put it into a normal aluminum rack chassis for $100 more?

With nothing to lose, I took a gamble on the Bass V-AMP Pro at $169, with every intention of sending it back for a refund, and here I am today supporting this thread, a happy owner of not only Behringer's V-AMP, but also owner of Line 6 POD X3 + Tech 21 SansAmp product technologies. It's just that the V-AMP unit earned, and has been reliably occupying, the top 2 rack spaces in my main gig rig for many reasons.

All numbered items 1-5 above, plus:

6. Numerous, various, quality amp tones
7. Ability to store + recall them
8. Numerous, various effects (chorus, envelope, synth, etc.)
9. Well-integrated bi-amping capabilites
10. Support for various connection/operation configurations
11. MIDI support for foot controller or external config/control
12. Digital outputs S/PDIF, AES/EBU for computer/DAW recording
13. Internal power supply, no wall-warts
Now, the bad news. None of these units are perfect!

The Behringer V-AMP's user manual is so horrible that it forces people to figure it all out on their own if they haven't already thrown the unit out the window by that time. This is where I come in by starting this thread :-) Additionally, the brand name reputation and low-price point automatically lose potential customers, and the aesthetics of the unit are a little lacking. But overlook all this for now and know that I could not be happier with my purchase of the Bass V-AMP and my decision to use it as my primary source of bass tone.

Until this unit, or any other gear I own, fail me, I will continue to sing their praises, especially when they deliver the goods. All the units mentioned above deliver in different ways and on different levels. All of them worthy of your consideration and hard-earned dollar, but for me, I am simply amazed with the Bass V-AMP and just wanted to share my 2-cents, and I hope you will do the same in return.

Thanks for reading!
 
Charlie,

While I haven't purchased the V-Amp yet. (working on a getting a new Amp) I HAVE subscribed to this thread and I am compiling all your tips into a PDF file so I will have it for reference when one becomes mine.

I just wanted to thank you for the time and effort you put into this discussion to relieve some of the confusion that could have been easily alleviated had Behringer written a more comprehensive manual.

Thanks Again.
 
I just wanted to thank you for the time and effort you put into this discussion to relieve some of the confusion that could have been easily alleviated had Behringer written a more comprehensive manual.

Thanks Again.

Thanks, jazzblade + all the best to you!

Please buy with confidence and return for prompt refund if not completely satisfied.

No one says you've got to marry the V-AMP, give her a good test drive and then decide :-)
 
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