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Behringer EUROLIVE VP2520
- Thread starter BassCliff
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I am no gear snob by any means. I have had a the cheap 15" and 12" Kustoms for mains and monitors, JBL JRX112M monitors (decent for $$ but cheap horn diaphrams), a Mackie Thump 12 powered (decent for it it CAN do) and a pair of old JBL Soundfactor 2x15 mains.
There are so many things to consider with PA mains and hardly any of the product information provided is realiable/meaningful. You want the biggest bang for your buck which I think we all do (just different bangs for different bucks). There are single 8Ohm 15" mains out there that will put out more volume and low end than those Behri 2x15s... and there are some that the Behri's will blow away. Much has to do with the quality of the drivers (sensitivity, etc.) and the design of the cab.
A company that has time and time again provided just about as much bang for your buck as possible is Peavey. Even their old beat to crap stuff still holds value on the resale market. So, it will likely give you good service and if it doesn't there are people who will buy it from you so you can roll the dice again. If you buy Behri stuff there is so much bad mojo about the brand (some deserved, some undeserved) that you won't be able to sell the stuff unless you give it away.
My recommendation is to get a pair of these and put them on stands.
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and one of these.
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Does your mixer have a crossover built in?
There are so many things to consider with PA mains and hardly any of the product information provided is realiable/meaningful. You want the biggest bang for your buck which I think we all do (just different bangs for different bucks). There are single 8Ohm 15" mains out there that will put out more volume and low end than those Behri 2x15s... and there are some that the Behri's will blow away. Much has to do with the quality of the drivers (sensitivity, etc.) and the design of the cab.
A company that has time and time again provided just about as much bang for your buck as possible is Peavey. Even their old beat to crap stuff still holds value on the resale market. So, it will likely give you good service and if it doesn't there are people who will buy it from you so you can roll the dice again. If you buy Behri stuff there is so much bad mojo about the brand (some deserved, some undeserved) that you won't be able to sell the stuff unless you give it away.
My recommendation is to get a pair of these and put them on stands.
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and one of these.
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Does your mixer have a crossover built in?
Hi,
OK guys. Most of our gigs do have full production, sometimes even a back line. The majority of our gigs are similar to this: Playa Vista Concert ... Excellent! (maybe not quite as fancy). For smaller private parties and clubs (read smaller budget) where we have to bring our own PA, we don't need a whole lot, just enough to run the vocals. Kelly's husband (also a bass player) usually brings his PA when we have to provide our own. We are starting to get gigs that Kelly doesn't want to work so just us guys do them. Sure, I could borrow Jack's PA but I don't want to drive for 2 hours to pick it up. He's got a bunch of Mackie powered and passive speakers and a Mackie 808S. There are other reasons for taking the cheap route which I don't care to go into.
This system will be what it will be -- cheap, portable, simple, easy to haul, setup, and run. And it all has to fit in my Astro van with my bass rig and basses. It is not going to be expanded. It is not going to be rack mounted. I don't know what kind of gigs the rest of you play but I think I know what my band needs for the types of gigs we will play with this PA.
Good grief.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Are you planning on using this PA for gigs? I guess I don't understand why a band that plays gigs with production that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars would want to buy and use some of the cheapest junk out there.
OK guys. Most of our gigs do have full production, sometimes even a back line. The majority of our gigs are similar to this: Playa Vista Concert ... Excellent! (maybe not quite as fancy). For smaller private parties and clubs (read smaller budget) where we have to bring our own PA, we don't need a whole lot, just enough to run the vocals. Kelly's husband (also a bass player) usually brings his PA when we have to provide our own. We are starting to get gigs that Kelly doesn't want to work so just us guys do them. Sure, I could borrow Jack's PA but I don't want to drive for 2 hours to pick it up. He's got a bunch of Mackie powered and passive speakers and a Mackie 808S. There are other reasons for taking the cheap route which I don't care to go into.
This system will be what it will be -- cheap, portable, simple, easy to haul, setup, and run. And it all has to fit in my Astro van with my bass rig and basses. It is not going to be expanded. It is not going to be rack mounted. I don't know what kind of gigs the rest of you play but I think I know what my band needs for the types of gigs we will play with this PA.
Good grief.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Oh, just vocals?? Not miking the drums/kick at all?
You would be better served getting some mains that are efficient and very good in the vocal range and getting them up on stands.
The Behringer horns can be a bit harsh sounding from my experience and not very warm at all.
For vocals, the Yamaha Club series were mentioned - great sounding cabs and have tried and true reputation
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Although you usually see these as active speakers, the EON series from JBL and tried and true as well
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If you want to spend your money on a pair of mains that you will likely keep forever, the JBL MRX series are real workhorses with great warmth.
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Down the road if you want to expand the system, just pick up a sub and a DSP amp to add more bottom end.
EDIT: just saw your reply. For easy to haul, get the EONS...
You would be better served getting some mains that are efficient and very good in the vocal range and getting them up on stands.
The Behringer horns can be a bit harsh sounding from my experience and not very warm at all.
For vocals, the Yamaha Club series were mentioned - great sounding cabs and have tried and true reputation
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Although you usually see these as active speakers, the EON series from JBL and tried and true as well
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If you want to spend your money on a pair of mains that you will likely keep forever, the JBL MRX series are real workhorses with great warmth.
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Down the road if you want to expand the system, just pick up a sub and a DSP amp to add more bottom end.
EDIT: just saw your reply. For easy to haul, get the EONS...
Hi,
OK guys. Most of our gigs do have full production, sometimes even a back line. For smaller private parties and clubs (read smaller budget) where we have to bring our own PA, we don't need a whole lot, just enough to run the vocals. Kelly's husband (also a bass player) usually brings his PA when we have to provide our own. We are starting to get gigs that Kelly doesn't want to work so just us guys do them. Sure, I could borrow Jack's PA but I don't want to drive for 2 hours to pick it up. He's got a bunch of Mackie powered and passive speakers and a Mackie 808S. There are other reasons for taking the cheap route which I don't care to go into.
This system will be what it will be -- cheap, portable, simple, easy to haul, setup, and run. And it all has to fit in my van with my bass rig and basses. It is not going to be expanded. It is not going to be rack mounted. I don't know what kind of gigs the rest of you play but I think I know what my band needs for the types of gigs we will play with this PA.
Good grief.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Well the most important part of a PA is the speakers. If you did some research you would find that 215 speakers don't get any love at all. You would need to spend about a $1000.00 a piece to get anything worth owning. My advice buy a single 15/horn or something like the carvin 3-way and you will sound better. Since you already have the mixer/amp I guess buy some passive cabs although if you had did some research you would have realized that Powered speakers will almost always sound better than any passive speaker in its class.
Hi,
Thank you. I will consider other speaker options. I'm really going for the "bang for your buck" system. I'm just not the kind of guy who can justify spending 50% more money for 10% better sound. While you and I can hear the difference, the audience who will hear this PA wont.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Thank you. I will consider other speaker options. I'm really going for the "bang for your buck" system. I'm just not the kind of guy who can justify spending 50% more money for 10% better sound. While you and I can hear the difference, the audience who will hear this PA wont.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Hi,
Thank you. I will consider other speaker options. I'm really going for the "bang for your buck" system. I'm just not the kind of guy who can justify spending 50% more money for 10% better sound. While you and I can hear the difference, the audience who will hear this PA wont.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Well they won't hear it at all if you don't buy something that you can pole mount.
Hi,
There's a joke there somewhere. Oh, never mind.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Well they won't hear it at all if you don't buy something that you can pole mount.
There's a joke there somewhere. Oh, never mind.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
OK, BassCliff. No worries....more curious than anything as to the CONTEXT of the use of this PA than anything, considering the resume' you've got posted in your footer. So, heck yeah, if you're comfortable using this type of rig, who am/are I/we to give it any more thought. If it works, it works. If you can try before you buy, then even better. So it looks like your original question has been pretty much answered.
Hope it all works out for you!
Hope it all works out for you!
Hi,
Thank you. I will consider other speaker options. I'm really going for the "bang for your buck" system. I'm just not the kind of guy who can justify spending 50% more money for 10% better sound. While you and I can hear the difference, the audience who will hear this PA wont.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Just reread your original post about getting the pair for like $300. That does seem like an incredible deal, but they will not be pole mountable and if vocals are your main concern they will not be your best bet and be very heavy to boot.
So, are you looking for a suggestion in the $300 a pair price point with your friend's discount? It is hard to recommend products not knowing what his cost would be. I am sure different brands have different cost margins.
I would check your pricing on any JBL single 15's, again the EONs will be a great choice and easy on your back. The difference in sensitivity between those and the Behringers combined with being able to pole mount them will likely make up for only running your amp at 8Ohms. One thing to note, your amp at 8Ohms will be quite a bit cleaner power than the 4Ohm load.
If you feel you must get a pair of 2x15's at that price point, the Peavey's would be a better option.
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Geez, all this banter!! If you're intent on getting these, they will work. Just need to raise them off the floor. At least a couple feet. I know a guy who uses JBL 2x15's and he sets them on top of his subs (which is actually less than 3feet high). No problem being heard at all. Decent sound. Personally, I prefer 12's or 15's on poles atop subs.
Hi,
OK guys. Most of our gigs do have full production, sometimes even a back line. The majority of our gigs are similar to this: Playa Vista Concert ... Excellent! (maybe not quite as fancy). For smaller private parties and clubs (read smaller budget) where we have to bring our own PA, we don't need a whole lot, just enough to run the vocals. Kelly's husband (also a bass player) usually brings his PA when we have to provide our own. We are starting to get gigs that Kelly doesn't want to work so just us guys do them. Sure, I could borrow Jack's PA but I don't want to drive for 2 hours to pick it up. He's got a bunch of Mackie powered and passive speakers and a Mackie 808S. There are other reasons for taking the cheap route which I don't care to go into.
This system will be what it will be -- cheap, portable, simple, easy to haul, setup, and run. And it all has to fit in my Astro van with my bass rig and basses. It is not going to be expanded. It is not going to be rack mounted. I don't know what kind of gigs the rest of you play but I think I know what my band needs for the types of gigs we will play with this PA.
Good grief.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Then I'd go with Yamaha, Peavey, Carvin or other similair decent quality mid-level "pro-sumer" 12" + tweet 2-ways.
Which is great if you have subs.
My band uses some powered JBL 3 way cabs that are about the same height we also set them on subs. But we use some crates that are about a foot high between the sub and the tops and strap it all together.
Hi,
I tell you what. For some reason my "guy" can't get "the deal" when trying to buy PA speakers. So I've just about decided to stick with Carvin and get a pair of their LS2153 main speakers.
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These cabs are also 4 ohms which will allow me to use all 400 watts from each of the amplifiers. If I were to use single 15" 2-way cabs I would get only 250 watts from the 8 ohm load, unless I used 4 speakers - which I don't have room for in my van along with four monitor wedges, my bass rig, and three or four basses. (I have to leave at least one seat in my van because sometimes my family actually comes to my gigs.)
Sure, I hope to get some powered sub-woofers eventually but I don't need all that for the types of gigs this band will be playing. Anything big enough to require that will have a house PA or sound company providing sound.
Anyway, I just wanted to let you know. I do appreciate your idea and opinions even though I might not listen.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
I tell you what. For some reason my "guy" can't get "the deal" when trying to buy PA speakers. So I've just about decided to stick with Carvin and get a pair of their LS2153 main speakers.
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These cabs are also 4 ohms which will allow me to use all 400 watts from each of the amplifiers. If I were to use single 15" 2-way cabs I would get only 250 watts from the 8 ohm load, unless I used 4 speakers - which I don't have room for in my van along with four monitor wedges, my bass rig, and three or four basses. (I have to leave at least one seat in my van because sometimes my family actually comes to my gigs.)
Sure, I hope to get some powered sub-woofers eventually but I don't need all that for the types of gigs this band will be playing. Anything big enough to require that will have a house PA or sound company providing sound.
Anyway, I just wanted to let you know. I do appreciate your idea and opinions even though I might not listen.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Sigh, obviously you have your heart set on 215 cabs even though the consensus among people who actually know something about sound will tell you they suck.
Good luck and have fun.
Good luck and have fun.
Hi,
Why do they suck? I played a concert last night and the sound system looked like this.
SRX series stuff, subwoofers with the 215 cabs on top. If I'm playing smaller venues with this PA, don't you think this little Carvin setup will work well enough?
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Why do they suck? I played a concert last night and the sound system looked like this.
SRX series stuff, subwoofers with the 215 cabs on top. If I'm playing smaller venues with this PA, don't you think this little Carvin setup will work well enough?
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
BTW the specs on your mixer say 300 watts at 8 ohms not 250 from what I can see. That 100 watts is nothing to worry about. The LS1503 we be a much better choice since the 6 inch mid woofer would be better than the 15 inch in the cab your looking at. PLUS it can be pole mounted which means it will always be heard unlike a cab that has to sit on the ground.
Hi,
Why do they suck? I played a concert last night and the sound system looked like this.
SRX series stuff, subwoofers with the 215 cabs on top. If I'm playing smaller venues with this PA, don't you think this little Carvin setup will work well enough?
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
The SRX is not a cheap cab. I stated in an earlier post that you would need to spend over a $1000.00 a box if you want 215 worth owning. Those were around $1500.00 IIRC. You will also notice they are using them with subs. You are in a country band if you are using fiddles, acoustic guitars a small mid range speaker will sound better.
Hi,
Yes, acoustic guitar, acoustic fiddle, even acoustic tambourine. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Yes, acoustic guitar, acoustic fiddle, even acoustic tambourine. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts.
Thank you for your indulgence,
BassCliff
Well my band plays a lot of country and we use these for a lot of our gigs [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] These have similar size speakers s the Carvin LS 1503 I mentioned. Vocals and acoustic guitars sound really good with my cabs. We have used them without subs a few times and as long as you don't expect a whole lot of thump they sound great. FWIW I have never heard the carvins so maybe they suck or not.
