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Behringer x32 rack vs XR-18

#21
Geri O said:
I mean, why bother adjusting yer own mix when you can interrupt the bassist doing his job to adjust yer mix, right?...:mad::banghead::eyebrow:
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HA!!! That's why I have a tablet (Tab A) that has the Midas AND Behringer FREE "IEM MIX" apps and the PAID Mixing Station Pro also - for FOH overlay.
I find the Midas version M32-Q stays connected longer in the 2.4 band, and does NOT drop in the 5 gig band.
It's is kinda funny watching our lead singer doing his IEm mix on an iphone. a 5! TINY screen!

And, for those using external routers, I highly recommend an Andy app called "[Invalid or Expired Link Removed]". It scans 2.4/5 gig bands and displays them on a graph. You can then switch channels on your router to avoid congested frequencies based on that info.
 
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I'm reviving this thread to see if anyone else has actually made a decision in this space..
I have to make a decision on an X32R or an XR18.
The price differential doesn't bother me.. I can get a deal on either ~! :)

I'm leaning to the X32R (having espoused the advantages earlier in this thread) over the XR18.
I WILL use an external access point (router) with either..
The extra AUX and output BUSSES, the AES50 connections, expansion capability (S16, etc) heavily favor the Rack...

Thoughts?
 
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s0c9 said:
I'd pretty much decided on the Rack, was looking to see if anyone had any compelling reasons not to. ;)
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i gotta say, the soundcraft ui24r looks pretty dang impressive, especially once it gets the rumored update with parametrics and HPFs on the outputs.

24 ins and like 10 aux outs, will run on anything that has a web browser and you can apparently even plug a touch screen monitor directly into it.

futzing around with the demo, the interface looks a lot easier to get around on than the X32, and i think it even does a thing where individual channel sends can be set pre or post in individual monitor mixes instead of having it be global for each aux out.
 
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walterw said:
i gotta say, the soundcraft ui24r looks pretty dang impressive, especially once it gets the rumored update with parametrics and HPFs on the outputs.

24 ins and like 10 aux outs, will run on anything that has a web browser and you can apparently even plug a touch screen monitor directly into it.

futzing around with the demo, the interface looks a lot easier to get around on than the X32, and i think it even does a thing where individual channel sends can be set pre or post in individual monitor mixes instead of having it be global for each aux out.
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You can do the same with the X32.
 
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walterw said:
i gotta say, the soundcraft ui24r looks pretty dang impressive, especially once it gets the rumored update with parametrics and HPFs on the outputs.

24 ins and like 10 aux outs, will run on anything that has a web browser and you can apparently even plug a touch screen monitor directly into it.

futzing around with the demo, the interface looks a lot easier to get around on than the X32, and i think it even does a thing where individual channel sends can be set pre or post in individual monitor mixes instead of having it be global for each aux out.
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Done a LOT of research on that puppy, and "played" extensively with their demo UI. The ONLY thing (and I mean the ONLY thing) that is stopping me from going that route is my experience with the X-series, that I own two P16M's, have access to two S16's, etc.. in other words.. the expansion capabilities on the Ui24R can't compete.
The touch screen (I'd have to buy one), the HTML5 UI, and ALL the rest of its features.. I give hands down to the Soundcraft.
Sadly, the only expansion capabilities it has is by adding a 2nd (another $1k) and putting them in series.. other than that. yeah.. I'm with you !!
 
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s0c9 said:
Thanks.. but you made me go take a second look at the soundcraft - which I'm doing now.. :D
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i do like the channel count of the soundcraft, by trading a few input channels for more auxes it seems just right for club-sized bands and such. 24 ins is plenty for most situations while the ability for five stereo IEM mixes puts it ahead of a lot of others.
 
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walterw said:
i do like the channel count of the soundcraft, by trading a few input channels for more auxes it seems just right for club-sized bands and such. 24 ins is plenty for most situations while the ability for five stereo IEM mixes puts it ahead of a lot of others.
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Totally agree.. and I've run a few soundcrafts before. . the Si III and this big puppy for a couple of hours. :)

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EastCoastThump said:
You can probably get one around $30K used, although it's *just a bit* more to schlep around than an X32 Rack. :thumbsup:
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It doesn't look like it will fit too well in my IEM rack either.. :(
It was fun to run that sucker for close to 3 hours tho'.. NICE console !
 
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i moved from an X32 Rack to the QSC Touchmix 8 and 16 and I find them the be incredible. The user app is much more friendly and you have the option of a touchscreen if wifi fails. Depending on how many channels you use, either should fit on a sliding rack shelf and could remain housed while using an ipad to control the set up.
 
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NickFromNY said:
i moved from an X32 Rack to the QSC Touchmix 8 and 16 and I find them the be incredible. The user app is much more friendly and you have the option of a touchscreen if wifi fails. Depending on how many channels you use, either should fit on a sliding rack shelf and could remain housed while using an ipad to control the set up.
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Having used both, and run both a TM16 and 30 (will use the TM30 again this Sat), I don't see much diff in the user apps to be honest - tho' the paid "Mixing Station Pro" has worked well for me over the native X32 apps. I also prefer the M32 apps over the X32.. they are basically the same thing.
Different layouts but the workflow is essentially the same for both X32 and TM series.
Expansion capabilities on the X32R are better, and you can rack it, which you can't do with the QSC's.
Security is little better on the TM, but a band generally doesn't open up access anyway.
 
#38
s0c9 said:
Having used both, and run both a TM16 and 30 (will use the TM30 again this Sat), I don't see much diff in the user apps to be honest - tho' the paid "Mixing Station Pro" has worked well for me over the native X32 apps. I also prefer the M32 apps over the X32.. they are basically the same thing.
Different layouts but the workflow is essentially the same for both X32 and TM series.
Expansion capabilities on the X32R are better, and you can rack it, which you can't do with the QSC's.
Security is little better on the TM, but a band generally doesn't open up access anyway.
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Yes, but the TM has a useable touchpad if wifi fails. The x32 rack can be controlled by the face controls in a pinch, but it is not easy to make adjustments in a hurry using the rotory knobs.
 
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NickFromNY said:
Yes, but the TM has a useable touchpad if wifi fails. The x32 rack can be controlled by the face controls in a pinch, but it is not easy to make adjustments in a hurry using the rotory knobs.
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NO arguments there. I have (as I mentioned) used BOTH and have NEVER had a wireless failure on the X32R where we needed to use the front panel as we ALWAYS run pro grade external routers and know how to configure them to prevent interference and minimize any issues - I have a thread somewhere in this section on how to do that. Yes, the TM's touchscreen is handy if you are right there for initial setup, or running it from FOH. We normally stick the consoles on the stage and run remotely (with external router) and setup wedge (or IEM) mixes on a tablet with either console while walking around the stage. So... other than that initial setup, does the TM screen really matter that much? idk. Yes, the X32R front panel ain't the easiest thing, but it IS usable.
I'm not saying one is better/worse than the other, but trying to put the differences in perspective. :)
YMMV
 
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NickFromNY said:
Yes, but the TM has a useable touchpad if wifi fails. The x32 rack can be controlled by the face controls in a pinch, but it is not easy to make adjustments in a hurry using the rotory knobs.
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Sure, but in terms of having a bugout plan if you're having trouble with wifi failure (or if you just don't want to chance it) the XR18 and 32Rack can be controlled by a laptop cabled via LAN. That's always my failsafe with the XR18, although I'm not gigging Bob's Country Bunker with that rig.
 

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