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Double Bass Bent Endpin ?

I've been using an angled endpin for a while now and I really like it, but it took a bit of time to figure out how to really use it. I started with a RobPin and rather liked it, but my new bass is drilled for a proper Laborie-style pin and it's really great.

With the angled pin, I'm always standing (use good supportive shoes or a mat if your feet get sore). I've found a balance point so I'm not supporting the bass with my left hand, but I have freedom of motion with my body and right arm.
 
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Thanks - A while ago, to experiment, I had something like this (Slava Bent End Pin) fabricated by a friend:
http://www.dougelliottmouthpieces.com/bassendpins.html

Has anyone tried? No drilling, mods required, and considerably cheaper than others suggested. I play standing up, and could see the benefit, but never actually made the switch.
 
Thanks - A while ago, to experiment, I had something like this (Slava Bent End Pin) fabricated by a friend:
http://www.dougelliottmouthpieces.com/bassendpins.html

Has anyone tried? No drilling, mods required, and considerably cheaper than others suggested. I play standing up, and could see the benefit, but never actually made the switch

With a bent end pin, it can really change the relationship and feel of the bass relative to the body. So, built-in adjustability is really important. Finding the optimal playing and comfort position takes a little trial and error - for me over a period of about a month making little adjustments and improvements back and forward. To be specific, the height had to be modified a few times after experimenting with how far back to position the spike from its normal straight position ( some positions seemed to add weight others didnt) . I discovered that rotating the angle of the end pin off axis i.e. a little towards my body almost by 45 degrees made a huge difference . I have a much better connection with the bass and it takes even more weight off given the way I stand relative to the instrument ....but of course everyone is different. My bowing also went through experimental stages but ultimately landing with some positive changes. One of the 'moving parts' that needs time to settle in.

Paying for a more 'engineered' design with an articulating arm, that can also rotate to any desired position with an adjustable end pin height, is worth every penny - its has 'dynamic' possibilities.

A 'static' off the shelf end pin like the one linked to above may well work , but I am not sure which one I would order with confidence that it'd be "THE ONE"!
 
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I just discovered this thread. I am the maker of the RobPin and thank all of you who have given it a thumbs up! I have been pondering the concept of an angled pin for decades now. I finally came up with this design and managed to get it into production just in time to have some at the ISB convention in Ithaca almost exactly three years ago. There were a few minor fuggups with that first run, but all have been corrected. Since then I have sold about 200, and the single return was because the player couldn't get the bass low enough. He later got a smaller bass and ordered again!

The mechanical stress issues mentioned in this thread are real, and that is why I waited so long to commit to a design. The simple bent pin is going to put a lot of rotational force on the socket and will eventually wear out the set screw and collar threads. The Eggpin/Lammax/Ergopin puts a lot of bending force on the socket and bottom block. The Laborie is good in principle, but not only do you have to bore a new hole, I see people using them at crazy angles, which I don't see as good for the bottom block. Also, there ain't much room for adjusting the angle:)

Anyway, my design wins no beauty contest, but it is light (13 ounces typically), non-invasive, and creates practically zero bending stresses.
 
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So the bass is home from the luthier and it has a bent endpin on now. Sitting the balance is very natural. Standing the bass is held different from what I have done for almost 50 years.

This video from John Clayton is very useful. His comments about access to the whole board is very informative. There is another Rufus Reid video on the bent endpin that helped convince me to try it. Rabbath feels bass players should be able to play every note on a bass, just like a violinist can.

A fortunate benefit of the luthier visit is he changed a few things for the better. He found the sound post was too short and changed the tailpiece cable location a bit. The low notes sound deeper now, and they were good when the bass went in. He is a very connected and interesting guy. All the ‘star’ bass players (Christian McBride, Marc Johnson, John Clayton etc) who come to town stay at his house. Even Charlie Haden long ago. Cool stuff.

The Ergonpin is on and we’ll see how she goes.

 
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I chose the Robpin as well and I am very positive about it. It is delivered with several lengths of pins so it can be used both standing and sitting. It is great that you don't need to drill.
I turn the pin some 10 degrees towards the side of the E-string.
Wonderful and easy balance.

Possibly you mean 10 degrees to the treble side, as pictured? (my luthier said he had installed many Laborie endpins and no one wanted them to the bass side)

I find sitting the bent endpin is very natural, no adjustment from my part required. Standing is very different to what I am used to. Access to the board is definitely better, no bent back to get into tp. I have to be conscious of bass balance, bass position and my spine posture while standing. I can hit 4 octaves without bending my back or stooping down.

Getting used to it, good for an hour at a time at this point. I have an outdoors symphony rehearsal tomorrow so we shall see how a few hours go.
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No, I mean 10 degrees to the bass side.
I base that on an idea of Lynn Seaton in this video:
His idea is that a shorter endpin, placed vertically, gives a better tone.
Besides, the endpin turned to the E-string a bit, the bass falls naturally into your groin.
 
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No, I mean 10 degrees to the bass side. I base that on an idea of Lynn Seaton in this video
His idea is that a shorter endpin, placed vertically, gives a better tone.
Besides, the endpin turned to the E-string a bit, the bass falls naturally into your groin.
I see what you are saying. Here’s Lynn showing it. I can turn mine for a try. Always good to keep an open mind and go with what works best :)

Now that I have been playing with a bent endpin on my classical bass, going to my jazz bass with a straight pin sure feels foreign. I’ll probably get it drilled for a Laborie endpin.

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I'm pretty sure that picture of Rabbath is tricking your eye. I'm almost positive his pin is angled straight back (towards the back of the bass) and not to either side (ie, not towards the bass side rib).

Could be.

I’ve tried the endpin angled to treble for a few weeks, then bass side for a day. Lately it is set straight back. Looks like it will be staying straight back.

What I have trouble getting used to is going on my other upright with a straight pin. It feels rather wrong lol.
 
Could be.

I’ve tried the endpin angled to treble for a few weeks, then bass side for a day. Lately it is set straight back. Looks like it will be staying straight back.

What I have trouble getting used to is going on my other upright with a straight pin. It feels rather wrong lol.

My current teacher worked extensively with Rabbath and his (my teacher’s) endpin angles straight back, as does mine.

I have also gotten pretty used to this configuration and standing at least would be nearly impossible for me any other way.
 
Time for an update on my angled endpin journey!

When I first considered the angled endpin I noticed Brazilian luthier and bassist Andrea Spada installs the Ergonpin on some of his new basses. I asked him how he liked it and he replied he loved it. The Ergonpin is designed by Saulo Bezerro De Melo. Saulo is a 40 year classical bassist with the Brazilian Symphony Orchestra.

When all my gigs were cancelled in March due to Covid I decided this may be a good time to get some long needed repairs and make changes to my basses. My luthier is a bass player. He does not work on anything but basses. Both my basses recently came back from him sounding better than when they went in.

The Ergonpin arrived in four days after payment, from Copacabana/Ipanema. I tried to install myself but the endpin diameter was larger and required reaming on the classical bass. This was a blessing. My luthier discovered my sound post was too short and not in the ideal position. He also changed the cable routing and tail piece location. The result was a significant improvement in sound. The bass sounded good when it went to him and deeper when it came home. Now the sound post does not cover the maker’s label, which had bugged me.

Next I decided to bring him my jazz bass for a consultation. We decided to install a Laborie style post. This poor bass has suffered a thousand indignities over my 45 years of gigging. We are talking about 5000 commercial gigs. The luthier replaced missing bits of wood, sanded rough edges, varnish worn edges, install adjusters in the old Pöllmann bridge, install a different tailpiece, relocate the endpin cable and touch up the fresh wood. It took 50% longer than he expected and he kept it for two weeks.

The resulting sound again was improved. The carved jazz bass always sounded good and now has a growl on the lower strings that it never had. Thank you Mr Luthier!

The longer wood endpin has a bit of a wobble. Not enough to be a distraction. The shorter wood one has no wobble. The carbon Endpin has no wobble. Both Saulo and Andrea said I would be happy with the less expensive metal endpin. I chose carbon for no significant reason.

The Robpin and Lammax endpins also look like a good option to consider if you want to avoid drilling holes.

The angled endpin facilitates moving around the fingerboard in thumb position. The bass is a bit more flat so arm weight contributes to digging in with the bow. I find the angled pin is significant while standing, not so much sitting. Now I do not like the feel of standing with a standard endpin. There are good reasons Rabbath, most of the LA Phil section and many celebrities are using angled endpins.

I found the endpin angled to treble, centre or bass side is a personal preference. I ended up happy with it on the centre.

Everything about installing and using the angled endpin has been a positive experience. I like the final result on both basses. I like that both basses sound better after unexpected visits to the bass specialist. Just after getting my bass back I was hired to play a society wedding gig that actually paid for more than half my luthier bills.

The angled endpin may not be for everyone, but you won’t know unless you try.

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