The Ergonpin and the Lammax system look very elegant but I would think you need something pressing against the rib for it to function well, no? I have the Robpin and I really enjoy it.
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Double Bass Bent Endpin ?
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No problems with stress on the end block of my bass with the Ergonpin, that I can detect. Time will tell, but my hunch is there will not be any issue. There is also zero wobble, mine is the carbon version. I did find some wobble with the drilled endpin on my other bass, mostly corrected with a thicker wood post. Not done with it yet, I could still go with even thicker harder post.
The Robpin does look to be a good choice. Appears well made and designed. It is also the least expensive of the ‘no drill’ high quality options. I would use it. The foot that sits against the rib may leave a mark after the years roll by (?)
Considering Rob’s argument that an angled endpin without rib support puts excess stress on the end block, but a bit of internet searching did not find cases of problems to the block due to an angled endpin. More sales marketing than a solution to an actual problem out there?
Andrea Spada backs the Ergonpin and Mario LaMarre his Lammax pin. Both fine luthiers and I trust their judgement. A lot of bassist’s have had their expensive basses drilled. I’m sure some of these old basses have small endpin blocks. Anyone hear of excess stress problems?
I did find instances of luthiers drilling an incorrect angle and players not happy with wobble, length and material of endpin posts. A luthier experienced with the Laborie style endpin should avoid this.
The Robpin does look to be a good choice. Appears well made and designed. It is also the least expensive of the ‘no drill’ high quality options. I would use it. The foot that sits against the rib may leave a mark after the years roll by (?)
Considering Rob’s argument that an angled endpin without rib support puts excess stress on the end block, but a bit of internet searching did not find cases of problems to the block due to an angled endpin. More sales marketing than a solution to an actual problem out there?
Andrea Spada backs the Ergonpin and Mario LaMarre his Lammax pin. Both fine luthiers and I trust their judgement. A lot of bassist’s have had their expensive basses drilled. I’m sure some of these old basses have small endpin blocks. Anyone hear of excess stress problems?
I did find instances of luthiers drilling an incorrect angle and players not happy with wobble, length and material of endpin posts. A luthier experienced with the Laborie style endpin should avoid this.
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Casey,
"More sales marketing than a solution to an actual problem out there?"
Thanks for that. I make things which I think are useful to bassists and which aren't available elsewhere.
I do not market or place ads in any way. I exist purely from word of mouth recommendations. You found this image on my own website. The link was not steered to you. You came to me.
I created this product because I found existing similar ones lacking in many ways. High among the issues was mechanical stress on the bottom block. I know that bottom blocks are not splitting in large numbers because of various bent endpin designs, but there is also the issue of sound reduction caused by bending force on the bottom block, and damage to the screw and collar. Please ask anyone you know who has any background in mechanical engineering to evaluate this parameter and compare it to the other options - just based on photos. If you can find anyone who will persuasively explain in detail how my claims are nonsense, then I will remove my product from the market.
So far, I have sold about 250 units. The single return I have had was from a guy who couldn't get the bass low enough. I was perfectly happy to take it back. For that or any other reason. The guy ordered another one later when he acquired a smaller bass
"More sales marketing than a solution to an actual problem out there?"
Thanks for that. I make things which I think are useful to bassists and which aren't available elsewhere.
I do not market or place ads in any way. I exist purely from word of mouth recommendations. You found this image on my own website. The link was not steered to you. You came to me.
I created this product because I found existing similar ones lacking in many ways. High among the issues was mechanical stress on the bottom block. I know that bottom blocks are not splitting in large numbers because of various bent endpin designs, but there is also the issue of sound reduction caused by bending force on the bottom block, and damage to the screw and collar. Please ask anyone you know who has any background in mechanical engineering to evaluate this parameter and compare it to the other options - just based on photos. If you can find anyone who will persuasively explain in detail how my claims are nonsense, then I will remove my product from the market.
So far, I have sold about 250 units. The single return I have had was from a guy who couldn't get the bass low enough. I was perfectly happy to take it back. For that or any other reason. The guy ordered another one later when he acquired a smaller bass
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I think the RobPin would look really cool if it was stealthed out in black (spraypaint) or perhaps carbon fibre if you wanted to get fancy and increase the cost. For me it has actually improved my SITTING posture in a very positive way - I am very thankful for the device.
Using the Robpin for 1 1/2 years I can still not detect any marks on the rib...
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Thanks everyone
I did look at CF rods. Thy are just too fragile and also quite expensive. I also looked at making my stainless rods black. There is stainless hardware with a black coating, but I see no way to do it in my shop.
Is that a new style of cable clamp show in the photo?
I'm glad I opened this thread. I used to make solid wooden endpins that were angled. I noticed it the most when seated as that lower angle seems to be when the endpin most wants to kick out. The center of gravity was also a little different when spinning the bass....
I always liked the results but let the last one go when I sold it with a bass a few years back.
'Time to make up a new batch; maybe I'll make up a few out of titanium while I'm at it....
I'm glad I opened this thread. I used to make solid wooden endpins that were angled. I noticed it the most when seated as that lower angle seems to be when the endpin most wants to kick out. The center of gravity was also a little different when spinning the bass....
I always liked the results but let the last one go when I sold it with a bass a few years back. 'Time to make up a new batch; maybe I'll make up a few out of titanium while I'm at it....
I was curious (yellow) so I made a quick, cheap version, which may become permanent. So far no structural issues, but I do my own repairs, so fear wasn't part of my thoughts in testing this. After a couple of months, no damage, and I think I'm addicted to it. More for arco than pizz, but I'm enjoying the new stance. angled toward the treble.
Steel rod from the hardware, cut to length, clamp in vise, propane torch, heat at the intended bend, bend, put in cold water. Dremel (or grinding wheel) where you want the tightening screw to clamp. Voila (not viola). Crude, but works fine, so far hasn't damaged anything, and I now think I'm going to keep an angled pin, either this one, or when/if gigging and income renew, opt for a slicker version. Also, this one fits in the accesory bag on my Mooradian bag.
Steven
Steel rod from the hardware, cut to length, clamp in vise, propane torch, heat at the intended bend, bend, put in cold water. Dremel (or grinding wheel) where you want the tightening screw to clamp. Voila (not viola). Crude, but works fine, so far hasn't damaged anything, and I now think I'm going to keep an angled pin, either this one, or when/if gigging and income renew, opt for a slicker version. Also, this one fits in the accesory bag on my Mooradian bag.
Steven
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"I Am Curious: A Film in Yellow") is a 1967 Swedish erotic drama film written and directed by Vilgot Sjöman,
Thanks.
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only the aged (senile) would get the refernce. You must be the exception.
Nah, he's "aged" along with the rest of us.
Bringing this back from the dead...
I saw in the picture that you have added a rubber endpin cover? I am trying to find one for my Ergopin, do you have the model or do you happen to know the thread size?
Thank you very much!
That rubber end came with mine. If you can’t anything at a hardware store (for canes or whatever) you could ask Saulo directly at Ergonpin. He is very helpful.
While on the subject of bent endpins, I have found the long wood endpin not too agreeable. It creaks and is not so solid as the carbon fibre Ergonpin. I’ve resorted to wrapping them with plastic food wrap to stop the creaking(!)
My luthier drilled a hole into my bass for the wood one, I may replace it with a carbon endpin from Quantum. The short wood one for sitting is fine, but I sit and stand.
I played a five hour standing gig the other day and got fed up. If I could go back in time, I would not of drilled it. Oh well. Basses do get abused by the whims and fashions of it’s player. At least the poor thing does not have an extension.
While on the subject of bent endpins, I have found the long wood endpin not too agreeable. It creaks and is not so solid as the carbon fibre Ergonpin. I’ve resorted to wrapping them with plastic food wrap to stop the creaking(!)
My luthier drilled a hole into my bass for the wood one, I may replace it with a carbon endpin from Quantum. The short wood one for sitting is fine, but I sit and stand.
I played a five hour standing gig the other day and got fed up. If I could go back in time, I would not of drilled it. Oh well. Basses do get abused by the whims and fashions of it’s player. At least the poor thing does not have an extension.
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I'm still using ( and adjusting) my home made bent enpin. I love it, not only for left and right hand weight downwards, but, best of all, I can hear the instrument much better, I think, because the f holes are visible, and therefore more audible.
