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Bergantino AE212 - Just Released

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KJung said:
+1 It has very little in common with the voicing of the DB750... much tighter, much brighter, much punchier.
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Hey Mr J. I forgot, Are you still basing your opinion of the 9.0 on your experiences with the 6.0? If so, you prolly want to check one out. Maybe not as tight and bright as you may think. Depending on the box, I can get a relatively low, wide, warm thing happening with my 9.0.
 
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VroomVroom said:
^ Having an AE212 and two HT112ER's is undoubtedly redundant, but you guys are making me feel better about wanting my cake and eating it too. :D The sound on that recent outdoor gig was just amazing.
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I'm still not clear on which setup you seem to prefer? Trying to decide between an AE112 or two HT112er's...cost and moving doesn't really factor into the equation. Only sound.
 
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B String said:
Hey Mr J. I forgot, Are you still basing your opinion of the 9.0 on your experiences with the 6.0? If so, you prolly want to check one out. Maybe not as tight and bright as you may think. Depending on the box, I can get a relatively low, wide, warm thing happening with my 9.0.
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No, finally spent some time with one. KILLER, and quite an improvement over the Shuttle 6! Totally dug it. However, no other head, including the Shuttle 9, in any way brings the DB750 tone to mind for me (which, quite frankly, is a good thing... the DB750 is one of my least favorite heads... IMO there of course).

The Shuttle 9 and Markbass F500 are tops on my 'recommend list' for those wanting small amps that are articulate, punchy, loud and reliable. They don't sound exactly the same of course, but if you dig one, you would most likely like the other. I prefer the preamp on the F500 (much more powerful and useful tone controls, variable filters, a bit 'flatter and cleaner', etc.), and I luckily run relatively high SPL 4ohm cabs, so the additional wattage of the Shuttle 9 is a non-issue for me.

I could sure be happy with that head though... really nice, and the Shuttle voicing is great with the AE line of cabs (as is the MB). Other than the TecAmps stuff (which is stupid expensive), I'm not overly impressed with any other micro/mini amp at this point.
 
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I'm on a plane to my gigs the next two weekends, then taking Labor Day weekend off to head up into the woods for a week.

It is killing me to not be able to get the AE212 on a gig for another few weeks:hmm:. Maybe they will let me carry it on:p

The good news is, after that, I will be in a couple of rooms that I've gigged my AE410 in regularly, so that will be a good 'trial' regarding how the AE212 behaves at relatively high volumes versus the AE410.
 
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KJung said:
No, finally spent some time with one. KILLER, and quite an improvement over the Shuttle 6! Totally dug it. However, no other head, including the Shuttle 9, in any way brings the DB750 tone to mind for me (which, quite frankly, is a good thing... the DB750 is one of my least favorite heads... IMO there of course).

The Shuttle 9 and Markbass F500 are tops on my 'recommend list' for those wanting small amps that are articulate, punchy, loud and reliable. They don't sound exactly the same of course, but if you dig one, you would most likely like the other. I prefer the preamp on the F500 (much more powerful and useful tone controls, variable filters, a bit 'flatter and cleaner', etc.), and I luckily run relatively high SPL 4ohm cabs, so the additional wattage of the Shuttle 9 is a non-issue for me.

I could sure be happy with that head though... really nice, and the Shuttle voicing is great with the AE line of cabs (as is the MB). Other than the TecAmps stuff (which is stupid expensive), I'm not overly impressed with any other micro/mini amp at this point.
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This was very helpful to me. I got to try the 9 with my HT112 and the environment was too noisy to get a sense of it's qualities. If I go with the AE212, I'll want another mini head to match up with it that'll offer a somewhat different "feel" than the LMII I already own and run with my HT112.
So, at this point, it's looking like either the GB Shuttle 9 / AE212 or the Phil Jones M500 / 8B. I've needed a rig for home and have wanted something "living room worthy" :D The PJB would fit the bill perfectly and act as my reserve rig if anything were to happen to the LMII/HT112 gig rig.
If I go with the Shuttle 9 / AE212 rig, the LMII/HT112 will remain setup at home and act as my backup. The Shuttle 9 / AE212 will be the same footprint and not be much heavier and give me a bigger sound as my gig rig.
Whew! Anyone follow that?!

decisions...decisions
 
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T. Alan Smith said:
This was very helpful to me. I got to try the 9 with my HT112 and the environment was too noisy to get a sense of it's qualities. If I go with the AE212, I'll want another mini head to match up with it that'll offer a somewhat different "feel" than the LMII I already own and run with my HT112.
So, at this point, it's looking like either the GB Shuttle 9 / AE212 or the Phil Jones M500 / 8B. I've needed a rig for home and have wanted something "living room worthy" :D The PJB would fit the bill perfectly and act as my reserve rig if anything were to happen to the LMII/HT112 gig rig.
If I go with the Shuttle 9 / AE212 rig, the LMII/HT112 will remain setup at home and act as my backup. The Shuttle 9 / AE212 will be the same footprint and not be much heavier and give me a bigger sound as my gig rig.
Whew! Anyone follow that?!

decisions...decisions
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I guess one more thing to think about is that the LMII will sound quite different with the AE212 than the original HT112... MUCH more low end, MUCH more volume, and a brighter, more aggressive upper mid response. So, you might not really need a radically differently voiced head to get some variation in your tone.

I had the PJB M500 for a short while. VERY high quality build, but god, it weighs a TON (DB750 weight), and has no more output than the LMII into 4ohms IMO and IME. If you aren't hauling it around, that PJB rig you are considering would be pretty cool though.
 
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KJung said:
I guess one more thing to think about is that the LMII will sound quite different with the AE212 than the original HT112... MUCH more low end, MUCH more volume, and a brighter, more aggressive upper mid response. So, you might not really need a radically differently voiced head to get some variation in your tone.

I had the PJB M500 for a short while. VERY high quality build, but god, it weighs a TON (DB750 weight), and has no more output than the LMII into 4ohms IMO and IME. If you aren't hauling it around, that PJB rig you are considering would be pretty cool though.
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Not to mention the huge price tag that goes with the PJB stuff. It will cost considerably more than AE212/Shuttle 9.0 and weigh 3 times as much. I think Phil Jones basis his pricing on weight. ;) Cool stuff, for sure...Just heavy on my back and my pocketbook.
 
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KJung said:
I guess one more thing to think about is that the LMII will sound quite different with the AE212 than the original HT112... MUCH more low end, MUCH more volume, and a brighter, more aggressive upper mid response. So, you might not really need a radically differently voiced head to get some variation in your tone.

I had the PJB M500 for a short while. VERY high quality build, but god, it weighs a TON (DB750 weight), and has no more output than the LMII into 4ohms IMO and IME. If you aren't hauling it around, that PJB rig you are considering would be pretty cool though.
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rodneyat said:
Not to mention the huge price tag that goes with the PJB stuff. It will cost considerably more than AE212/Shuttle 9.0 and weigh 3 times as much. I think Phil Jones basis his pricing on weight. ;) Cool stuff, for sure...Just heavy on my back and my pocketbook.
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Yeah, I've got some comparison to do with the pricing, but as for the weight, it's pretty much a non-issue, as the PJB would be my "living room rig" primarily and simply be a backup to my LMII/HT112 rig.

Ken, as per your 1st paragraph, if I run the LMII with the AE212, I'll need to find a head to pair up with the HT112 at home. [head spins...] :D
 
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BassSaxMan said:
I'm still not clear on which setup you seem to prefer? Trying to decide between an AE112 or two HT112er's...cost and moving doesn't really factor into the equation. Only sound.
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I can't say for certain as I won't have the AE212 for ~ two weeks...and at that I probably won't gig it until late September (everything I've got on the books until then calls for a smaller 112 setup). That said, if I'd had the chance to A/B the rigs (two HT112ER's vs one AE212) before buying anything, my guess is the AE212 would get the nod...and I'd save my pennies to include a single HT112ER for smaller gigs.

I LOVE the sound of a single HT112ER, and it packs quite a whallop. Two of them together seems to be just too much, although I'll be experimenting with the EQ some more tomorrow night at a large band/large room gig. (I wish my timing was better - I'd love to use the AE on this hit...sigh.)
 
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VroomVroom said:
I can't say for certain as I won't have the AE212 for ~ two weeks...and at that I probably won't gig it until late September (everything I've got on the books until then calls for a smaller 112 setup). That said, if I'd had the chance to A/B the rigs (two HT112ER's vs one AE212) before buying anything, my guess is the AE212 would get the nod...and I'd save my pennies to include a single HT112ER for smaller gigs.

I LOVE the sound of a single HT112ER, and it packs quite a whallop. Two of them together seems to be just too much, although I'll be experimenting with the EQ some more tomorrow night at a large band/large room gig. (I wish my timing was better - I'd love to use the AE on this hit...sigh.)
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I'd be willing to bet that if you put the HT112ER pair/stack up on a milk crate (or similar ~12" riser), you'd get a lot closer to a balanced sound.
 
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Pics of my AE610 and some side shots with the rack stacked on top and a view of the Marshall I was competing with. Just for the record, the the M6 and the Bergs, I could smoke 'em.:D

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#356
Currently running a DB112 and DB112NT with a DB750 head. The DB750 has had the preamp tube changed which I think makes it less wooly in the low freqs.

Those of you who have tried an AE212, how do you think it would stack up against the 2 Aggie cabs? I am happy with the sound I'm getting with this rig but always looking to improve and the AE212 just looks cool!
 
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Jerry J said:
One thing that I just noticed, thanks to your photo that you linked to, is that there are metal corners on the ae212.

That is the first thing it did when I got my ae410. I think that it just added a touch to the look and also adds a bit of protection to the corners. Cool!;)

Thank you for the link and the review, Rod.
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I believe Jim started using these metal corners on all the AE's pretty early on. I agree, nice touch... a bit more 'finished' looking.
 
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