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Bergantino AE212 - Just Released
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Unless you need something in the tone the HT112 produces.
Im going to go out on a limb here and say the LM3 is better for me. Purely because the F1/500 just didnt have that inherent warmth and softness.
This is me though, and I like anything from P basses with flats to Stingrays and Jazzes really cutting the mix.
I would be onto an AE212, but the results ive been given with the RH450 arent swaying me. Im not selling a brilliant amp just to get the latest cabinet! I love this amp.
I really need to get busy on figuring out funding for one of these.
Yes you do, Jerry. Yes you do.
I still can't get the idea of this cab out of my head. I'm so in love with my AE410 that I'd love to hear what I imagine would be a slightly different take on my all-time-favorite everyday gigging cab. The form factor really appeals to me as well -- it looks like it would be an absolute breeze for a tall guy like me to carry.
Of course, if I end up getting a huge case of GAS out of this . . .
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I know what you mean - back a while ago I checked out the F1 (basically the same as the F500) with my 410UL (I've been running with the LMII/410UL for years now) and I thought it was a bit clinical sounding. But I didn't get that impression at ALL checking out Ken's F500 with the AE212. Sounded very punchy and had zing in the top end without being the slightest bit sterile. I wish I would have brought my LMII to compare against the F500 with it - Ken said that matchup was also very good with the AE212.
I too am THIS close. Might happen before the weekend, actually...which would be great since Saturday's hit would be the perfect debutante ball for the cab.
Kinda' funny - I really don't care much for the AE112, but am just blown away by the 212. Certainly didn't expect to like it as much as I do. The main impetus for me is that I've found two HT112ER's to be really overbearing in the low end. In my test drive of the AE212 it seemed to offer mammoth output without stopping pacemakers.
Even if it isn't by this weekend, I suspect I'll have one of these soon. I'm really, really impressed by the sound, and you've got to love the footprint and weight.
Kinda' funny - I really don't care much for the AE112, but am just blown away by the 212. Certainly didn't expect to like it as much as I do. The main impetus for me is that I've found two HT112ER's to be really overbearing in the low end. In my test drive of the AE212 it seemed to offer mammoth output without stopping pacemakers.
Even if it isn't by this weekend, I suspect I'll have one of these soon. I'm really, really impressed by the sound, and you've got to love the footprint and weight.
Based on my experience of all the micors vs my M6, I would say no, but it may get you close enough that the difference weight makes it worth it. The shuttle 9.0 is a great amp and pairs really well with the AE line of cabs.
+1 It has very little in common with the voicing of the DB750... much tighter, much brighter, much punchier.
I too am THIS close. Might happen before the weekend, actually...which would be great since Saturday's hit would be the perfect debutante ball for the cab.
Kinda' funny - I really don't care much for the AE112, but am just blown away by the 212. Certainly didn't expect to like it as much as I do. The main impetus for me is that I've found two HT112ER's to be really overbearing in the low end. In my test drive of the AE212 it seemed to offer mammoth output without stopping pacemakers.
Even if it isn't by this weekend, I suspect I'll have one of these soon. I'm really, really impressed by the sound, and you've got to love the footprint and weight.
+1 Big low end at the expense of upper mid articulation (no free lunch) can sound 'creamy and lush' at home, and flubby and lacking punch/articulation on the gig. Jim seems to have really found a nice balance with the AE212 between 'enough low end to really sound full and fat' combined with nice upper mids without having to go to a mid driver design.
Totally agreed. I absolutely love my 9.0...and I've lusted after a DB750/1 for ~ five years now. After experiencing the 9.0, I just can't fathom going back to a big heavy piece of gear. To my ears, the Shuttle gets very close in terms of sound...and then when you lift it for load in/out, you giggle like a schoolgirl.
My test drive of the AE212 was exclusively with the 9.0 for this reason - I really wanted to gauge the sound. Of course, I love the amp with my HT112ER's as well...and with my Epifani cabs. It really does seem to be an awesome match for the AE212, though - just like peanut butter and chocolate.
What I loved about the LMII is that it seemed to pretty much work with anything, though certain cabs definitely matched up better. Honestly though, I'm not really gassing for anything. I use in-ears more than anything these days, and I just need something light and powerful to back me up. I'd also prefer it to play well with a handful of pedals I use on occasion. The LMII was particularly great at that.
The form fact of the AE212 is what appeals to me, but I really think the AE410 would be my favorite cab. I just don't need that kind of output or size. I'm a bit nervous about the AE212 since it's so early in the game. It sure is a good looking cab, though.
I could just keep using my IP310. I love it very much, though it is a bit unwieldy at times because of the massive low-end output. It certainly isn't light, but that really hasn't bothered me at all. I'm thinking about letting it go honestly, just because I don't need it. Really wanting to thin out what I own and use these days, and go with a single head/cab solution. The LMII/Genz Neox 212 was great for me for quite a while, and I didn't use anything else. I think the AE212 might bring a little more aggressivness which I'd like with a LMIII. Just wish MB would have included a friggin' mute on the thing.
The form fact of the AE212 is what appeals to me, but I really think the AE410 would be my favorite cab. I just don't need that kind of output or size. I'm a bit nervous about the AE212 since it's so early in the game. It sure is a good looking cab, though.
I could just keep using my IP310. I love it very much, though it is a bit unwieldy at times because of the massive low-end output. It certainly isn't light, but that really hasn't bothered me at all. I'm thinking about letting it go honestly, just because I don't need it. Really wanting to thin out what I own and use these days, and go with a single head/cab solution. The LMII/Genz Neox 212 was great for me for quite a while, and I didn't use anything else. I think the AE212 might bring a little more aggressivness which I'd like with a LMIII. Just wish MB would have included a friggin' mute on the thing.
Totally agreed. I absolutely love my 9.0...and I've lusted after a DB750/1 for ~ five years now. After experiencing the 9.0, I just can't fathom going back to a big heavy piece of gear. To my ears, the Shuttle gets very close in terms of sound...and then when you lift it for load in/out, you giggle like a schoolgirl.
My test drive of the AE212 was exclusively with the 9.0 for this reason - I really wanted to gauge the sound. Of course, I love the amp with my HT112ER's as well...and with my Epifani cabs. It really does seem to be an awesome match for the AE212, though - just like peanut butter and chocolate.
Jerry,
So did I miss your take on the AE212 vs the HT112ERs. If not what is your 2 cents worth. Those HT112ERs are great cabs. Big and less mids which makes them seem a bit darker then the AE112s to me, but was just wondering.
Slight oversimplification, but pretty accurate from what I'm hearing:
AE410 and LMII/III roughly equals AE212 and F1/F500.
The yin yang of the tighter, more upper mid aggressive AE410 and the fatter, smoother LMII/III gets you close to the somewhat wider, smoother AE212 and the somewhat tighter and punchier F1/F500.
It also tends to move the max SPL a little closer to my ear when I really pounding on these combinations, since the F1/F500 has a bit more ooomph than the LMII/III, and the AE410 has a bit more absolute volume capability than the AE212.
I think you nailed it. Ken's comments too. I absolutely LOVE the HT112ER. I'm using one on nearly all my gigs these days, and the sound is just amazing. Everything is there, without being too much. On louder gigs, however, I've found that using two of them together is just too strong down low. Not boomy - actually it's a bit hard to quantify - just really deep, hard, and...well...low. In the whole scheme of things, it's not like it's a bad problem to have. I've just never had to cut lows (on the instrument) before...a new thing for me.
The AE212, though, seems to cure that. I was really impressed with how hard it hit down low (at heart, we're playing bass, right? I certainly want those lows!) but doing so while maintaining an emphasis on the mids. I just get the feeling that, with this cab, I'd have all the oomph I need...just without causing nervous twitches or heart palps while playing.
The question has been raised by a few cronies...if (well, when) I get the AE212, will I part with one of the HT's? Not sure, actually. I know that doesn't make much sense with what I said above, but... I used a 2x HT112ER setup on an outdoor gig last month, and it was just ridiculous. The sound was so good that I felt like I was in a recording studio, not on a huge open air stage. I'm not sure I could part with one.
Side note. Just got an update from my local store. Their last AE212 just sold...imagine that. I've got another two weeks to get my ducks in a row.
That's a good way of describing the IP310. Not boomy at all (unless the room itself is boomy of course), but it just hammers the bottom end such that it feels a bit much in some settings. Add to the fact that I'm probably running it at a third of it's capacity, and I just start wondering what's the point of having that kind of power if I never need it. But hey, I bought it because I wanted to try one forever, and I'm glad I did.
tone-wise; right now, not having tried the AE212 yet, I think I prefer the AE series over just about anything I have tried.....but I get give the nod and grin once I get those AE to open and bloom just a touch; otherwise I love the tight even punch even down low.....
now I chose an HT112ER over the AE210 and AE112, and added a second HT112ER........I gigged with the AE210 some too before.....
I still wonder if I should have kept the AE210....and maybe added another..........
in my shootout between the HT112ER, AE112, and AE210, the AE112 was my pick tonally , but the booty in a no PA mix nudged me down the HT112ER road..........
......now that there is an AE212, and being that it seems to be a bigger AE112, give or take with the wallop closer to the AE410, which I own and truly dig, well, we'll just have to see.....
to me the AE just has a tightness and focus, that when blooming just a touch really sounds nice.........
to me there's a fine line between being too tight and bright and blooming just enough to really shine.........
now I chose an HT112ER over the AE210 and AE112, and added a second HT112ER........I gigged with the AE210 some too before.....
I still wonder if I should have kept the AE210....and maybe added another..........
in my shootout between the HT112ER, AE112, and AE210, the AE112 was my pick tonally , but the booty in a no PA mix nudged me down the HT112ER road..........
......now that there is an AE212, and being that it seems to be a bigger AE112, give or take with the wallop closer to the AE410, which I own and truly dig, well, we'll just have to see.....
to me the AE just has a tightness and focus, that when blooming just a touch really sounds nice.........
to me there's a fine line between being too tight and bright and blooming just enough to really shine.........
Peter
It did exactly that! I have not checked the damage yet. Heck I've got plenty paper plates though.. shrug.
(tongue rolling) Rrrreeeeediculous oh yeah. It was cool but I'd probably only use the Db750 with both cabs. My stack is weird looking though.. the 750 on top of the cabs stacked was hard to lift up there since I'm pretty short. I could always put it amp on a stand or milk crate too. It was stable with the db on top of both cabs stacked but after reconfiguring I just put the Ae210 on top of the amp after trying the AE212 solo with the db.
Heh heh.
I rarely use my IP310 for gigging, because the AE410 is so much easier to schlep, but . . .
I played a gig a few weeks ago on a huge stage (we opened for Pat Travers), and while the other guys on the bill were using SVTs, I brought out the IP310 and drove it with a Summit, which also gave me a KILLER DI for the FOH.
I finally got to really crank the IP due to the size of the stage, and it was just devastating. Sounded nearly as loud as the SVT stacks and was just punchy and tight, yet with huge low end.
I may not use it often, but I'm glad I have it. Man was that a good rig for a big outdoor stage.
Wish I got to do those gigs more often.
Yeah, it is truly a hammer. I just played an outdoor gig with it also, and it was just massively more cabinet than I need. Personally, I'd rather have a tighter, punchy cab that I could drive hard. Don't get me wrong, I could probably spend the rest of my life with nothing but the IP310. It really is that good.Heh heh.
I rarely use my IP310 for gigging, because the AE410 is so much easier to schlep, but . . .
I played a gig a few weeks ago on a huge stage (we opened for Pat Travers), and while the other guys on the bill were using SVTs, I brought out the IP310 and drove it with a Summit, which also gave me a KILLER DI for the FOH.
I finally got to really crank the IP due to the size of the stage, and it was just devastating. Sounded nearly as loud as the SVT stacks and was just punchy and tight, yet with huge low end.
I may not use it often, but I'm glad I have it. Man was that a good rig for a big outdoor stage.
Wish I got to do those gigs more often.
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