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Bergantino HT112EX + EX112ER stack
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Nope. Different amp designer, different preamp voicing, different hi pass filtering, different everything. Just because the knobs look the same tells you nothing of the design.
Class of amp is probably the LEAST impactful tonal driver.
I agree with you though, the EA class D amps DEFINITELY do not make the grade. Many others do.
We must be careful to not fall into what the psychological literature calls the 'vividness trap' (i.e., attributing the difference in a thing to the attribute that is most obvious... neck through versus bolt on, tube versus solid state, 'heavy' versus 'lightweight', class D versus another class of amp').
The LMII was a classic case of this. 'That little class D amp sucks compared to my 30 pound amp'. Of course, the LMII/III is a class A/B amp'. Another example, 'the Aguilar AG500 has more oomph than the class D TH500'. Of course, the Aguiler AG500 IS a class D amp, it is just a large heavy one. Even with EA, their early class D executions (iAmp500/800) where class D amps but with toriodal power supplies (as was the original Epifani amp).
Etc., etc. LOTS more going in within an amp than just class of power amp. LOTs, lots, lots more.
Again , play what you dig, dig what you play! No problem.
Not for me. The Shuttle 9.0 into the ER's is insanely loud and authoritative. I set the amp flat and hit the bass boost with a Stingray Classic V tuned down to low A and and shake the room. I have a sneaky little grin when I do that. With the Bass boosted on the bass and the button on the amp no farting at all and man does it hammer.
All depends on the preamp and hi passing. Again, I wasn't a fan of the IP's per se, but they did what they did quite well, and again, this has NOTHING to do with class of power amp.
That being said, +1 that most of the old HT line was not to my personal taste. Very high ratio of bass to midrange, with a significant dip in the upper mids. Very fussy regarding amp matching IMO and IME. Class of amp, whatever. But if you didn't have very good midrange control in your preamp, it became a bit of 'scoop-ville' IMO and IME).
Whatever dude, all I know is that the OP wants a good sounding amp for the ER's which I happen to have owned for several years and have tried more amps that I can remember. I've been doing this for over 40 years have owned more top shelf gear than you can imagine. I know what I hear what others have said both on and off TB regarding the sound of Class D amps. Argue all you want, I'm done!!
Jim has continued to update the DSP of the IPs. It is very balanced now. That's part of his continued customer service. He listens and says, "just send me the amp."
Who had trouble with an IP if they put a real bass pre on it?
Two Alembics, two Demeters, Aguilar, Eden, Fender, Ashdown, Trace, Kern and Glock were all available before the IP's introduction. All put out .775v.
One Ampeg put out too low of a signal before it was updated.
Wasn't rocket surgery.
Saying that you tried the Shuttle 6 and are thereby an expert on micros is not very impressive; even if yours is clearly bigger than everyone else.
Back to the ER/EX stack: I have been playing through this combination since September 2010 and I am still as pleased as ever with the flexibility of the setup. In terms of its "voice", it sits in the middle of the spectrum compared to other cabinets I have tried and I think that you can pair them with many different amps with great results.
If the Eden WT is working for you, I would suggest sticking with it, save the $$, and retain the flexibility of pairing the stack with a great amp head of your choice.
If the Eden WT is working for you, I would suggest sticking with it, save the $$, and retain the flexibility of pairing the stack with a great amp head of your choice.
OK guys, so I got a chance to try out the TH500 on Friday night. I wish I had written this yesterday morning, while it was still kind of fresh in my head, but unfortunately I did not. So, I'm not going to get very detailed here, just a basic rundown as to what I found.
After a little A/B'ing both heads, I ended up going with the TH500 for the gig. Everything flat, except Drive all the way off and highs at about 2'clock. I didn't really have a lot of time to play with it, as my buddy didn't get there until a short bit before soundcheck. Didn't have to touch anything for the entire night. I was pleasantly surprised with the amount of volume the TH500 provided. The lows were a little muddy at first to me but were pretty easily remedied by backing off the bass on my bass a little. Its definitely not a hi-fi head, but can get a pretty decent clean tone by running bass and mids flat and boosting the highs a bit. All-in-all, it was a nice little setup and I was pretty happy with the outcome at the end of the night. I kinda wish I had more time to play around with it before going right into playing but I was pretty happy with the results, even only having a very short period of time to mess around with it. Its definitely a very nice head and I was very happy to finally get the chance to try one out.
Am I ready to go out and pick up a TH500 right away? Not quite yet. I am, however, now beginning to think that I may not need an 800-900 watt micro to match with these cabs. 500-600 watts will more than likely be enough. I didn't take into consideration earlier that I run my compressor on the WT405 at about 12 o'clock, obviously cutting down on my overall output from the amp. By knocking the compressor down to about 9 or 10 o'clock, I can get plenty of volume out of the WT405...
So now, I have purchased a GK MB800 and a GB Streamliner 600 (I know, after everyone has steered me away from them, I still need to try it for myself!) that will both be arriving early to mid week this week. I'm going to try as many heads as I possibly can before deciding on "the one." I still have enough left in the "bass gear reserve" for one more head. Right now, its a toss-up between a Tecamp Puma 500 or an Epifani UL502. Possibly even a Markbass Big Bang. Anybody have any advice/experience with any of those three?
After a little A/B'ing both heads, I ended up going with the TH500 for the gig. Everything flat, except Drive all the way off and highs at about 2'clock. I didn't really have a lot of time to play with it, as my buddy didn't get there until a short bit before soundcheck. Didn't have to touch anything for the entire night. I was pleasantly surprised with the amount of volume the TH500 provided. The lows were a little muddy at first to me but were pretty easily remedied by backing off the bass on my bass a little. Its definitely not a hi-fi head, but can get a pretty decent clean tone by running bass and mids flat and boosting the highs a bit. All-in-all, it was a nice little setup and I was pretty happy with the outcome at the end of the night. I kinda wish I had more time to play around with it before going right into playing but I was pretty happy with the results, even only having a very short period of time to mess around with it. Its definitely a very nice head and I was very happy to finally get the chance to try one out.
Am I ready to go out and pick up a TH500 right away? Not quite yet. I am, however, now beginning to think that I may not need an 800-900 watt micro to match with these cabs. 500-600 watts will more than likely be enough. I didn't take into consideration earlier that I run my compressor on the WT405 at about 12 o'clock, obviously cutting down on my overall output from the amp. By knocking the compressor down to about 9 or 10 o'clock, I can get plenty of volume out of the WT405...
So now, I have purchased a GK MB800 and a GB Streamliner 600 (I know, after everyone has steered me away from them, I still need to try it for myself!) that will both be arriving early to mid week this week. I'm going to try as many heads as I possibly can before deciding on "the one." I still have enough left in the "bass gear reserve" for one more head. Right now, its a toss-up between a Tecamp Puma 500 or an Epifani UL502. Possibly even a Markbass Big Bang. Anybody have any advice/experience with any of those three?
Thanks for sharing. I'm not looking for anything new to go with my Berg cabs, but I am interested to read your impressions of the GK, TecAmp and any others
I was giving some thought to the TH500 at one point, but I never tried one out- I instead ordered a MoMark 500 setup and have been pleased. When I was asking people for comparisons between the TH500 and the Markbass LMIII/II, the consensus was that the TH500 had a noticeably more headroom.
I was giving some thought to the TH500 at one point, but I never tried one out- I instead ordered a MoMark 500 setup and have been pleased. When I was asking people for comparisons between the TH500 and the Markbass LMIII/II, the consensus was that the TH500 had a noticeably more headroom.
