Bergantino NXV112 Is it enough?

[retslock]

In Australia this little bundle of noise facilitation will cost around $1,220 plus shipping. At that price it's a gamble because I can't try one out and would have to order online. It would be very helpful to get some advice from those who know. I'm in a small old school soul/blues/R&B band - drums, guitar, vocalist and me on 5 string FSO. We're not very loud and play small venues such as pubs and small clubs. In larger venues there is usually FOH support.

At the moment I'm using a Rumble 500 watt head into a custom built 4 ohm 2 x 12 sealed cabinet. At my age I'd like to go a bit smaller if possible and run a 1 x 12 8 ohm cabinet that would bring the Rumble output back to around 350 watts.

The NXV112 should handle it but will it be enough for small gigs by itself?

 

[retslock]

In Australia this little bundle of noise facilitation will cost around $1,220 plus shipping. At that price it's a gamble because I can't try one out and would have to order online. I've played through a friend's Bergantino 4 x 12 (or was it 4 x 10 - a long time ago) once and although it weighed a ton it sounded great. It would be very helpful to get some advice from those who know. I'm in a small old school soul/blues/R&B band - drums, guitar, vocalist and me on 5 string FSO. We're not very loud and play small venues such as pubs and small clubs. In larger venues there is usually FOH support.

At the moment I'm using a Rumble 500 watt head into a custom built 4 ohm 2 x 12 sealed cabinet. At my age I'd like to go a bit smaller if possible and run a 1 x 12 8 ohm cabinet that would bring the Rumble output back to around 350 watts.

The NXV112 should handle it but will it be enough for small gigs by itself?

 

[pfschim]

not the NXV112, but I regularly use a Berg CN112 with a Mesa WD800 and I have no issues covering small/med venues. And if you have any FOH support for bass you should be golden. Berg makes good stuff!

 

[Zbysek]

not the NXV112, but I regularly use a Berg CN112 with a Mesa WD800 and I have no issues covering small/med venues. And if you have any FOH support for bass you should be golden. Berg makes good stuff!

Same here. CN112 is my main gigging cab and it is usually sufficient for my needs...

 

[1coil]

The price you quoted matches BGD in Sydney, so I’m assuming that’s your supplier.

If you’re in Sydney like your profile says, you can organise with George to visit his premises in belmore and try gear out.

Fwiw, I have nxt112’s ( basically nxv’s with a tweeter ) and a single cab is plenty loud for a smallish indoor venue at sensible volumes.

Cheers

 

[Reedt2000]

Ive been using a Markbass 1x12 combo for years. It's 300 watts without an extension cabinet. It's been just fine on its own for small to even medium gigs. Anything that requires a louder amp has a FOH system that handles the bass so I still use the small combo and send it's line out to the FOH.

Not the same brand, so not totally apples to apples, but the same concept as what you're asking.

 

[dbsfgyd1]

Ive been using a Markbass 1x12 combo for years. It's 300 watts without an extension cabinet. It's been just fine on its own for small to even medium gigs. Anything that requires a louder amp has a FOH system that handles the bass so I still use the small combo and send it's line out to the FOH.

Not the same brand, so not totally apples to apples, but the same concept as what you're asking.

300 watts in an efficient cab can cover a lot of applications.

 

[pepj]

I'm going to say no, not enough for me...but it depends what you are asking it to do.
If the pub is a music pub...as opposed to a pub that has music, you'll probably be ok though as music in the corner type of thing and you are not loud enough to disturb the betting and TV Sports rooms et al.

 

[Kael]

I mainly gig a mesa boogie walkabout head into a euphonic audio (RIP) wizzy mline cab (a 112 whizzer cone). It handles about 90% of the gigs I play. I even use it on outdoor gigs with FOH support but honestly I usually prefer my 410 on outdoor gigs (at least until I have to schlep it to the van). A good EFFICIENT 112 seems to move about the same amount of air these days as a 115 used to when I was first starting out.

 

[Fuzzbass]

We're not very loud and play small venues such as pubs and small clubs. In larger venues there is usually FOH support.

The NXV112 should be fine! I regularly solo mine at small venues, or with bands that play at reasonable volume. Unfortunately I often play with loud bands, so when I do I put an NXV210 on top.

 

[Thunderthumbs73]

In Australia this little bundle of noise facilitation will cost around $1,220 plus shipping. At that price it's a gamble because I can't try one out and would have to order online. It would be very helpful to get some advice from those who know. I'm in a small old school soul/blues/R&B band - drums, guitar, vocalist and me on 5 string FSO. We're not very loud and play small venues such as pubs and small clubs. In larger venues there is usually FOH support.

At the moment I'm using a Rumble 500 watt head into a custom built 4 ohm 2 x 12 sealed cabinet. At my age I'd like to go a bit smaller if possible and run a 1 x 12 8 ohm cabinet that would bring the Rumble output back to around 350 watts.

The NXV112 should handle it but will it be enough for small gigs by itself?

If there is USUALLY FOH support, whether it's 350 Watts, or 500 Watts, or 2x12 or 1x12, you should be ok being heard and using your rig as your monitor. For me, I feel a lot of small 1x12 cabinets can get "barky" at higher volumes, where 2x12 cabs at those same kinds of volumes, sound less so.

Without FOH support I'd not recommend most 1x12 cabinet configurations.

 

[Fuzzbass]

Without FOH support I'd not recommend most 1x12 cabinet configurations.

I totally get the concern. If there's any doubt I run a pair of 1x12 (or 2x10+1x12), in the spirit of "better to have it and not need it (etc)". But there are plenty of times I've set up a stack and later realized that a single 1x12 would have been sufficient. And I regularly play Legion hall / small venue / low volume gigs where I only set up a 1x12 because I know it's sufficient with a particular band -- and if it isn't, then it won't be my fault when we get scolded for excessive volume.

 

[bikeplate]

Yes

 

[msb]

I find a single Bergantino 112 cab can easily fill a mid sized room. I also have a 210 so I can combine them for a 322 , but realized a single cab will cover most gigs.

 

[Thunderthumbs73]

I totally get the concern. If there's any doubt I run a pair of 1x12 (or 2x10+1x12), in the spirit of "better to have it and not need it (etc)". But there are plenty of times I've set up a stack and later realized that a single 1x12 would have been sufficient. And I regularly play Legion hall / small venue / low volume gigs where I only set up a 1x12 because I know it's sufficient with a particular band -- and if it isn't, then it won't be my fault when we get scolded for excessive volume.

I think my concern or thing I'm thinking is about tone, even if the cab/speaker can handle the wattage, and then the other part is how high does the amp need to be turned up to achieve volume? I try to run amp heads at no more than about 60%-65% of total volume or knob range for amp longevity. I think the extra bass response from additional speakers (one plus...) can be perceived by some musicians and audience alike as additional volume even if it's technically somehow truly equal in volume to a one-speaker cab. Not that I am asked to personally turn down all that often. In fact it's quite rare, but I know that simply doing NOTHING more than slightly turning down the bass frequency on an active bass is perceived as a tremendous volume reduction, when in fact, it's really not tremendous at all.

 

[LowendG]

After around a decade of using a 1x12 and it being "enough", I recently started using a 2x12 (albeit a pretty light/portable Neo one) and man, I gotta say it's really hard to not grab the 2x12 for everything but the quietest gigs--like coffeehouse quiet. The difference in my onstage experience with the 2x12 vs the 1x12 is pretty significant, even in smaller settings and with FOH support. I guess I'd just suggest keeping your 2x12 just in case!

 

[pepj]

I pick from 310, 210 or 2x112.
The only time I take a single 112 is for an acoustic session.
As soon as there are drums, I take an appropriate (for me) cab config

 

[Elmstreet]

After around a decade of using a 1x12 and it being "enough", I recently started using a 2x12 (albeit a pretty light/portable Neo one) and man, I gotta say it's really hard to not grab the 2x12 for everything but the quietest gigs--like coffeehouse quiet. The difference in my onstage experience with the 2x12 vs the 1x12 is pretty significant, even in smaller settings and with FOH support. I guess I'd just suggest keeping your 2x12 just in case!

Which 2x12 do you use?

 

[klyph]

If you’re used to a 2x12, the single 12 will leave you wanting more, I think. The current Berg 2x12 is pretty light. I know it’s more money (they’re not cheap) but if you can get one, will it be lighter than your current cab?
Is it possible to get Barefaced cabs in Oz? My super compact could probably handle a medium rock gig on it’s own, better than the Bergs I’ve tried.
It really boils down to how loud the drummer is, and what the room is actually like at your smaller gigs (the ones with no FOH).
A 2000 square foot room with a wooden floor and a 7 foot ceiling? No problem.
A 3000 square foot room with a concrete floor and 12 foot ceilings (like a brewery)? Maybe not. I don’t like to play rock gigs with a single twelve, it’s hard to cut through but still get depth to the sound, without more speaker area. But… I play with some fairly loud drummers. YMMV

 

[retslock]

After around a decade of using a 1x12 and it being "enough", I recently started using a 2x12 (albeit a pretty light/portable Neo one) and man, I gotta say it's really hard to not grab the 2x12 for everything but the quietest gigs--like coffeehouse quiet. The difference in my onstage experience with the 2x12 vs the 1x12 is pretty significant, even in smaller settings and with FOH support. I guess I'd just suggest keeping your 2x12 just in case!

I will definitely keep the 2x12. It's goes well. I had also considered something like a Markbass 2x10 instead of the 1x12. It's smaller and lighter than my 2x12 and I've heard others using them and they sound pretty decent.