I'm looking to replace my worn cab. My current cab to be replaced is a Bergantino HD410. My backup cab is an Epifani UL410 first series. I don't know if I should get another Bergantino HD410, Epifani UL410 third series, or an Epifani DIST 410.
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Bergantino or Epifani
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I have an early series 2 UL410 and it's an amazing cab, flat response and amazing tone. Paired with Markbass F-500 or Aguilar TH500 kills every time.
I had later versions of both UL2-310 and UL2-410 and I wasn't very happy, both sounded kind of hollow to my ears and ended up selling them.
I had later versions of both UL2-310 and UL2-410 and I wasn't very happy, both sounded kind of hollow to my ears and ended up selling them.
+1.
Just IMO, but I really like the UL series over the DIST.
Again, IMO.... I would prefer a AE410 to either.
Sounds like my speakers are worn. Maybe ill just buy new ones and get it repaired.
Both are great cabs. Not sure what is wrong with your HD410. Strange that one of those cabs would have problems, but if you dig it, you might contact Jim and describe the issue you are having.
The first series UL410 is quite a bit different than the HD410 (I gigged both a UL410 and UL410(II) for many years, and now play Bergantino cabs. As you most likely heard, the HD410 is more low mid punchy, and MUCH more even through the mids to the tweeter. The 410UL(I) has a big low end, a significant bump in the mid mids, and a big dip in the upper mids that makes the tweeter sound very hi fi.
The 410UL(II) is a bit more even, but has an even bigger hole in the upper midrange... very smooth, wide, cab, with a sizzly hi fi top end. Haven't heard much good regarding the very expensive DIST cabs.... even more 'scoopy' than the UL Series II boxes. I'd stay away from those.
I have not heard the new, heavy, ceramic 410UL, but if it sounds anything like the PS410, that would be pretty nice, and a bit closer to the sound and weight of the HD410.
Per Munji's post, the new CN212 is small, light, puts out a lot of sound, and would make most HD410 owners happy in a much smaller lighter box. Very punchy, nice low end extension, and nice brightness up top (brings to mind a good 410 classic tone). It puts out '410-like' volume.. very impressive. Some feel that the output is a touch less than the 410UL. I didn't find that at all, but regardless, quite close, and if you aren't pushing those 410's to their absolute limit, it is a fantastic replacement. These new 212's have come a LONG way in the last 5 years regarding maximum volume output.
All good stuff. I tired of the voicing of the Epi cabs and enjoy the more even midrange presence and punch of the Berg cabs (in general).
Can you be more specific? Speakers don't really get worn, they work or they blow.
Listen to Ken's youtube stuff to get a feel for what the new Berg stuff is like.
If i had the scratch I would get 2 CN112 cabs. They sound great.
I've had Epifani cabs from the original ceramic stuff to DIST cab. The original UL stuff was really nice. UL 110, UL 112, UL 310 and UL 115. All nice cabs.
I don't know who was designing those cabs but the line changed after the very early UL 2 stuff. IMO.
If i had the scratch I would get 2 CN112 cabs. They sound great.
I've had Epifani cabs from the original ceramic stuff to DIST cab. The original UL stuff was really nice. UL 110, UL 112, UL 310 and UL 115. All nice cabs.
I don't know who was designing those cabs but the line changed after the very early UL 2 stuff. IMO.
+1, and given that the HD line hasn't been out all that long, it would be very strange for his HD410 to 'have a problem'.
I'd start looking at other things before replacing the cab or the speakers. Amp, EQ, strings, etc. What are you running for an amp? Bass? What strings and how old are they?
Generally speaking, drivers might sound a little brighter when they are brand new. It may take them a few hours to break in. Not everybody believes they do break in, but I've experienced it first hand during a gig. After that time they may be a little deeper sounding. But we're only talking about a few hours here, 4 tops.
Anyways, unless you've blown the drivers there is probably nothing wrong with them.
Generally speaking, drivers might sound a little brighter when they are brand new. It may take them a few hours to break in. Not everybody believes they do break in, but I've experienced it first hand during a gig. After that time they may be a little deeper sounding. But we're only talking about a few hours here, 4 tops.
Anyways, unless you've blown the drivers there is probably nothing wrong with them.
That doesn't make much sense. +1 to the above, something else is wrong most likely. You luckily do not need a new cab. Something else is wrong. Drivers don't really get 'less punchy', especially over such a short period of time (i.e., surrounds can soften and fail, but that usually takes 20+ years).
Edit: You MIGHT have a tweeter blown. Jim's tweeters are crossed over relatively low, and a failure of your tweeter in the HD410 could result in you hearing the cab as a bit 'undefined'. Easy to check..... unplug your bass (so you have no possibility of hurting your ears), crank the master volume and treble control of the amp, and make sure you hear hiss coming from the horn when you have your ear close to it. Make sure your attenuator is at around noon. If this happens to be the case, easy fix. Contact Jim for a replacement or part number.
