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Best 200 Watt Amp

Bravo Jim!
Thanks. Please add to my critique if you care to. I thought it might be fair to add that I loved the old (heavy) Mesa Carbine 600 watt 212 combo, and liked the old aluminum cabinet GK MB150-112 for upright.

However, a neo cab like my 10 year old Epifani UL1210 weighs about 36 lbs, and combined with a 4.5 lb head like the Genz Benz shuttle 6.0, you have something that nearly equals the carbine/fathom combo, but is smaller and lighter.

Now there are newer combos by Fender, GK, Genzler, Phil Jones, and others. All fine for what they are. They just leave me cold, though, because I like to try different heads, and who knows, I may one day outlive my love for Greenboy designs, LOL!
 
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There's a lot of people getting stuck on watts on this thread. Watts are not a measure of volume! The difference between 100w and 200w into the same speaker is not great, but the difference between 100w into a 1*12 and 200w into a 4*10 certainly is. The trick is to get more speaker area as well as more watts.
 
Ok, I am aggregating a few of my posts (with edits for "brevity," lol)...

Since 1963, I have owned or used extensively 12 or 13 combos, but who's counting? I don't have one now, but wouldn't rule it out. There is nothing inherently evil or bad about combo amps, but besides the advantages of supposed convenience, some sacrifices in quality and/or performance for a budget price are not uncommon. Some are very light, and some are very heavy. Some sound great, some don't. Some have extension speaker outputs, some don't.

It's hard to generalize about combo performance, price, weight, etc., except to say you will usually get what you pay for (buy used!), and that to upgrade performance to the level of a typical good modular rig may require lugging two combos, or a combo plus a powered cabinet, or perhaps just the combo with an extension speaker. These extra, possibly large boxes, all make combo ownership for price and convenience less compelling, as it is now a modular rig with the head trapped in a cabinet or two.

Thus, I'm re-introducing the epithet "combo trap." The combo trap is composed of problems such as, if the combo amp dies, the speaker is useless. Or, if the combo speaker dies, the amp is either useless until the whole thing comes back from repair—or you get to lug the whole combo with a dead speaker as the amp head for a different cabinet. All of these have happened to me.

Oh BUT, the (theoretical) combo lover will tell you "my combo is soooo much easier," and yes, if plugging in a speaker cable is too hard, your life will be better, I guess. Theoretical combo fans also say "moving a combo is easier," which is fine, if it is actually true.

Many combos are huge and heavy, though new lighter ones are more portable than the current ~70 lb. Hartke combos or the old combos like the 74 lb. SWR Workingman's 15 or 78 lb. Acoustic 136 I used to schlep. A combo's weight is always a big selling point, so many are very light, but all combine a speaker cabinet with a head. For it to be super light and cheap means trade offs somewhere. Care to guess where?

Let's say you want out. How to go modular when all you have is a single combo amp? Assuming your combo has a external speaker output, adding a good quality used cabinet can be a bridge for escaping "combo trap island." Get an extension cab that is a lot better than the built-in cab/speaker. After using the better cabinet for a while with the combo, you might want to simply move to a higher power micro amp with the better cabinet. That is, if your funds are not all tied up in the combo + cab.

Selling the combo to raise funds for a head is a problem if it won't yield enough profit to buy a nice USED head, so save up first (part of the trap thing). Keeping the combo for smaller gigs and as a spare or reheasal rig is a good idea, too. IME, selling a combo that was purchased new will not likely yield enough funds for new "upgrade" head. Part of the trap.

If you go modular, with a separate amp and cabinet, you can often actually get something more portable than if you simply add a extension cabinet to your combo. The newer micro heads deliver the goods while weighing in ~5 lbs. A good 112, 115, or 210 neodymium driver equipped cabinet can weigh between 25 and 35 lbs. Slip a micro head like a GK mb800 into your gig bag, and the cabinet will probably be lighter than your current combo.

My 212, a fEARful 12/12/6/1, has tilt back wheels, and is a breeze for this 70 year-old geezer to move and load and in/out of a vehicle. I don't have to carry the head at the same time, but I can, as it is in a shoulder bag.

Getting a rig that has a separate head and cabinet allows you to add a cabinet, upgrade the cab(s), replace the head, and sell either part if it becomes redundant. Modular rigs are free of the "combo trap" problems. You can even make the head itself modular, with a power amp, and a pre-amp (or two) in a rack.

But remember, nothing lasts forever. B
Ok, I am aggregating a few of my posts (with edits for "brevity," lol)...

Since 1963, I have owned or used extensively 12 or 13 combos, but who's counting? I don't have one now, but wouldn't rule it out. There is nothing inherently evil or bad about combo amps, but besides the advantages of supposed convenience, some sacrifices in quality and/or performance for a budget price are not uncommon. Some are very light, and some are very heavy. Some sound great, some don't. Some have extension speaker outputs, some don't.

It's hard to generalize about combo performance, price, weight, etc., except to say you will usually get what you pay for (buy used!), and that to upgrade performance to the level of a typical good modular rig may require lugging two combos, or a combo plus a powered cabinet, or perhaps just the combo with an extension speaker. These extra, possibly large boxes, all make combo ownership for price and convenience less compelling, as it is now a modular rig with the head trapped in a cabinet or two.

Thus, I'm re-introducing the epithet "combo trap." The combo trap is composed of problems such as, if the combo amp dies, the speaker is useless. Or, if the combo speaker dies, the amp is either useless until the whole thing comes back from repair—or you get to lug the whole combo with a dead speaker as the amp head for a different cabinet. All of these have happened to me.

Oh BUT, the (theoretical) combo lover will tell you "my combo is soooo much easier," and yes, if plugging in a speaker cable is too hard, your life will be better, I guess. Theoretical combo fans also say "moving a combo is easier," which is fine, if it is actually true.

Many combos are huge and heavy, though new lighter ones are more portable than the current ~70 lb. Hartke combos or the old combos like the 74 lb. SWR Workingman's 15 or 78 lb. Acoustic 136 I used to schlep. A combo's weight is always a big selling point, so many are very light, but all combine a speaker cabinet with a head. For it to be super light and cheap means trade offs somewhere. Care to guess where?

Let's say you want out. How to go modular when all you have is a single combo amp? Assuming your combo has a external speaker output, adding a good quality used cabinet can be a bridge for escaping "combo trap island." Get an extension cab that is a lot better than the built-in cab/speaker. After using the better cabinet for a while with the combo, you might want to simply move to a higher power micro amp with the better cabinet. That is, if your funds are not all tied up in the combo + cab.

Selling the combo to raise funds for a head is a problem if it won't yield enough profit to buy a nice USED head, so save up first (part of the trap thing). Keeping the combo for smaller gigs and as a spare or reheasal rig is a good idea, too. IME, selling a combo that was purchased new will not likely yield enough funds for new "upgrade" head. Part of the trap.

If you go modular, with a separate amp and cabinet, you can often actually get something more portable than if you simply add a extension cabinet to your combo. The newer micro heads deliver the goods while weighing in ~5 lbs. A good 112, 115, or 210 neodymium driver equipped cabinet can weigh between 25 and 35 lbs. Slip a micro head like a GK mb800 into your gig bag, and the cabinet will probably be lighter than your current combo.

My 212, a fEARful 12/12/6/1, has tilt back wheels, and is a breeze for this 70 year-old geezer to move and load and in/out of a vehicle. I don't have to carry the head at the same time, but I can, as it is in a shoulder bag.

Getting a rig that has a separate head and cabinet allows you to add a cabinet, upgrade the cab(s), replace the head, and sell either part if it becomes redundant. Modular rigs are free of the "combo trap" problems. You can even make the head itself modular, with a power amp, and a pre-amp (or two) in a rack.

But remember, nothing lasts forever. Be prepared and have a spare. I always gig with a spare compact head in my trick bag.
Thank you!! This was very helpful info!! On a side note; is this true of guitar amps as well?
 
Thank you!! This was very helpful info!! On a side note; is this true of guitar amps as well?

It's a whole different culture of tone. Most guitar amps have tubes, often even power tubes, and yet are about 1/10th the power of a typical full-blown bass amp. 30-50 watts is common for guitar amp. A single 10" or 12" speaker and open back are also common.

So, while the fundamental drawback of the combo format is still the same, most pro guitar amps ARE combos, so the whole equation is different. If you want a certain tone, it's likely only available in a specific, often open back, combo package.
 
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In February, 2020 I bought a used Roland SA-300W subwoofer cabinet for $65.99 and a used Crate BX-220H bass amp head for $131.99 from Guitar Center.

The 4 ohms, 12" woofer inside the Roland cabinet is rated at 200+ watts and the frequency response is impressive.

The overall size of the cabinet with head on top is 19"W x 12"D x 27"H.

For under $200, I have a 220 watt bass amp similar in size to the 140W Fender Rumble 200 (19"x14"x23").
 
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Have we, in the spirit of TB, recommended every amp currently in production?

No?

Lemme help ...

Hartke KB 12 or 15. Very clean hi-fi tone, somewhat flexible, louder than any other combo I've played except the OriginAl 112, and very reliable. Also very light and not too costly.

All this applies to the Traynor SB112 and SB115 as well. Awesome combos.

And as a Mesa-assimilated cult member I would be totally remiss not to mention the D-350 on top of a Hartke HD210.

OK ... what hasn't been mentioned? Let's get on it guys! I know we can fit every amp made into the thread. :hyper:

OP ... look here .... this way ... listen very carefully....

If you like the tone of the Rumble 100 (and I do, even though it isn't as flexible as some and has a baked in tone), chain a second one to it. Or buy a Rumble 500.

The end.

We now return you to the NAME EVERY AMP EVER MADE game. :laugh::bassist::laugh:
 
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I’d get a Rumble 500. Or This:
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I use a 100, and have pretty much settled on a Rumble 500 for my next amp. Seems silly to me to get a Rumble 200 or similar. After much testing, I do prefer the Rumble sound; but the similar 210 combo offerings from Ampeg, GK and even Mark are all nice and worth considering. Just different flavors (and prices.)

The Rumble 500 will give you around 350 watts by itself, though it has more speaker cone area, which gets you louder faster than just a power increase. You'll need another cab (preferably the Rumble 2x10 extension) to get the full 500 watts.
I have a Rumble 200 combo. I think by it self (without extension) it does about 150 watts or so.
The Rumble 100 does not provide for an extension cab, so with it, by itself, you're getting the full 100 watts.
Going from the 100 to the 200 then is only about a 50% power increase, which by itself is essentially nil as far as more loudness. The 200 has a slightly bigger speaker at 15".

If you stay with Rumble, the 500 would be your best best, IMHO.
 
Have we, in the spirit of TB, recommended every amp currently in production?

No?

Lemme help ...

Hartke KB 12 or 15. Very clean hi-fi tone, somewhat flexible, louder than any other combo I've played except the OriginAl 112, and very reliable. Also very light and not too costly.

All this applies to the Traynor SB112 and SB115 as well. Awesome combos.

And as a Mesa-assimilated cult member I would be totally remiss not to mention the D-350 on top of a Hartke HD210.

OK ... what hasn't been mentioned? Let's get on it guys! I know we can fit every amp made into the thread. :hyper:

OP ... look here .... this way ... listen very carefully....

If you like the tone of the Rumble 100 (and I do, even though it isn't as flexible as some and has a baked in tone), chain a second one to it. Or buy a Rumble 500.

The end.

We now return you to the NAME EVERY AMP EVER MADE game. :laugh::bassist::laugh:

Hartke KB15 sound clean , solid and open , but no hifi. Hifi tone belong to GK.

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